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Re: Mag Chloride issues was Muscular distrophy

Posted: Wed May 20, 2009 12:11 am
by Irene de Villiers
Irene did not write in bold.
I do not like liars and will decline to read the rest.
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Re: Mag Chloride issues was Muscular distrophy

Posted: Wed May 20, 2009 12:42 am
by Irene de Villiers
This is true, though most "healthy" people do tend to have too little
Mg and a supplement is often wise.
Susan does not know it either and has consistently misrepresented the
Mg/Ca ratio of the magdelay I had suggested be used as a supplement
for muscular dystrophy. It is quite safe.
The FDA is also involved here. They have disallowed the production of
a MgCl tablet that does not also have calcium. So to get MgCl in USA
you HAVE to get calcium with it - no choice in that matter. It is
still worthwhile to use MgCl and not another form of Mg.
Trying to get MgCl alone even from a compounding pharmacy on RX, is
also not so easy since it is not stable and absorbs water from the
air. So tablets do not stay tablets for long. Even with calcium added
(which helps stabilize) and the use of magnesium chloride hexahydrate
as in the supplement I suggested, they can quite easily have a breach
in the coating and absorb water.

Research on Mg/Ca ratios is also a problem. It has to be seen in
context and often it is research that ignores relevant factors, such
as the Vit K in the diet to keep calcium in bone, and such as the
food eaten with the Ca or Mg in that Mg is absorbed better in absence
of fat and Ca is absorbed better in presence of fat.
So one can manipulate the situation by what is eaten with the
supplement. For myself, I do not need the amount of Ca added, but it
does no harm, based on long-term results. The important thing is to
get enough MgCl.

There are a lot of stories (including from allopaths) about kidney
damage from either magnesium or calcium or potassium - or ratios of
these - all of which supplements I use in huge doses - and which are
not causative of kidney damage at all. I'm 60 yrs old and have
supplemented these since I was a child, with no kidney harm.
The reason for LACK of harm is that I absolutely insist on Mg Cl and
not other forms of Mg, and also Potassium chloride and not other
forms of potassium. It must be the chloride form to be safe and helpful.

If you look at ALL the research as a whole, and not at a few faulty
items that leave out important factors - they show that kidney damage
supposedly from potassium for example, is never associated with
potassium chloride *unless* it is taken with blood pressure
medication that wastes potassium (and the potassium was supplied for
that reason, to try to undo the potassium wasting caused by the
drug). SO if you put all the research together - it is clear that the
BP drug and not the potassium supplement, is the common factor in
kidney damage. At least it is clear to anyone reading ALL the
research and correlating it. Seems not to be a popular pastime:-)

My own doctors and specialists keep testing my kidney function
expecting the high supplements to cause damage and yet my prediction
that they will find none is always borne out. So when a supplement of
Mg is needed - then it is right IMO to take MgCl and not some other
form - even though it comes with some calcium - as long as there is
plenty of both, any excess is excreted,
The problem arises when one is supplied in great excess and not the
other - and then excretion is tricky as Ca and Mg BOTH have to be
present to excrete either of them appropriately. For example a lack
of Mg can lead to excess Ca not being excreted, causing calcium build
up in blood serum and resulting in bladder stones etc......

The other important thing allopathy does not understand about kidneys
(and usually gets backwards) is their need for high quality protein
in high quantity - especially when damaged. Fish oil and Vit E also
are good (to undo any damage).

It is often cats (and dogs) who teach us all about mammalian kidneys
and what's good for them. Cat kidneys are very prone to damage and
kidney failure is the leading cause of death among medical causes, in
cats. While vets claim kidney damage is not reversible, many cases
later I claim the opposite. I use the same principles that work with
cats, to keep my own kidneys healthy against the odds of my illness
and the predictions of the allopaths:-) This is all based on good
research findings. I did not do the actual research myself - I am
just using it - and sharing it here for folks to use or not as they
see fit.

Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Mag Chloride issues was Muscular distrophy

Posted: Wed May 20, 2009 9:55 am
by healthinfo6
I put what you wrote in bold to differentiate your words from my response to make it easier to read. That instead of typing >> before each line.

Instead of avoidance by calling me a liar, research libel laws on the internet. That includes falsely accusing me multiple times of selling products here.

Magesium malate is another form that is very calming.

Susan

Re: Mag Chloride issues was Muscular distrophy

Posted: Wed May 20, 2009 9:57 am
by healthinfo6
Shannon,

Magnesium is considered the vitamin C of minerals and one way to determine your need is to take upto bowel tolerance just like Vitamin C. When you get diarrhea, you're there! My "research" shows extra is needed for diabetes. Don't use magnesium oxide, a common and poorly absorbed form.

It's easy to consume too much calcium. An uncle suffered kidney failure from popping Tums with calcium like candy. This popular antacid may be causing problems that no one realizes since the highest mfr recommended dose is 3000mg elemental calcium.
Tums, Calcium Carbonate 500 mg 200 mg elemental calcium. Upto 15 per 24 hours
Tums E-X, Calcium Carbonate 750 mg 300 mg elemental calcium. Upto 10 per 24 hours
Tums ULTRA, Calcium Carbonate 1000 mg 400 mg elemental calcium Upto 7 per 24 hours.

Susan

Re: Mag Chloride issues was Muscular distrophy

Posted: Wed May 20, 2009 5:52 pm
by healthinfo6
Susan does not know it either and has consistently misrepresented the
Mg/Ca ratio of the magdelay I had suggested be used as a supplement
for muscular dystrophy. It is quite safe.

No. You said there was "research" supporting it's use in muscular dystrophy. Where?

The FDA is also involved here. They have disallowed the production of
a MgCl tablet that does not also have calcium. So to get MgCl in USA
you HAVE to get calcium with it - no choice in that matter.

Where are you getting this mis-information from, Quackbusters.com? Certainly reads like it.

The calcium in Slow Mag or MagDelay is calcium carbonate, the same calcium in Tums. Not a preferable form and possibly dangerous to some at levels you take.

Here's a legal Magnesium Chloride tablet, made in the USA, without calcium:

http://www.vitacost.com/Alta-Health-Pro ... dientFacts
Here's a legal Magnesium Chloride liquid, made in the USA, without calcium:

http://www.vitacost.com/NutriCology-Mag ... ide-Liquid

If you look beyond your allopathic pharmacy, you can find them.
It is still worthwhile to use MgCl and not another form of Mg.
Trying to get MgCl alone even from a compounding pharmacy on RX, is
also not so easy since it is not stable and absorbs water from the
air. So tablets do not stay tablets for long. Even with calcium added
(which helps stabilize) and the use of magnesium chloride hexahydrate
as in the supplement I suggested, they can quite easily have a breach
in the coating and absorb water.

That is Slow Mag manufacturer, Purdue Pharma, hype whose research supports the use of their hexahydrate version. Typical pharma, which is why they were sued for saying their Oxycontin was better than others. You took the Vitamin K ool-Aid.

Maybe you should rethink your lifelong Mg/Cat strategy which is based on the pharma false belief that Magnesium Chloride is only available and is superior with calcium. Since you got that wrong, I would have to carefully research all your supplement suggestions for safety and efficacy before implementing.

Susan

Re: Mag Chloride issues was Muscular distrophy

Posted: Wed May 20, 2009 11:38 pm
by Irene de Villiers
Susan, those are your words, not mine.
Have the courtesy to quote me correctly and I'll be glad to respond.
Again your words not mine.
I know this from the ten or twelve pharmacists who have gone to town
trying to find a form of MgCl for me without it, and from the
researchers who have had difficulty stabilizing the hygroscopic
nature of MgCl in a tablet - and from my own studies in Chemistry
which confirm the hygroscopic nature of Mg.
Also from the FDA rules I had to learn to be a Veterinary Assitant -
a self-imposed "internship" process I chose to undertake as a vethom,
and which i recommend to my students.
In that case why do you even read my emails?
I do not care if you think ridiculous things about me. It is your
choice to do so, not mine.
As a wise man said: What you think of me is none of my business.
Yes. Works great as a calcium supplement.
Tums is dangerous because it is eaten for the wrong reasons.
Magdelay or equivalent has been suggested for the right reasons, cfor
use in the right circumstances.
You conveniently forget that part.
No tums is not a preferable thing to use for anything at any time.
Only you added it to the conversation, not me:-)
I do not take Tums. You could not pay me to take tums.

I know better. I'll repeat once more:
Having used this for 60 years, for any chronic disease that requires
extra magnesium due to genetic defect (including one I happen to
have) - the MgCl has kept my kidneys healthy and enabled all the Mg
functions to work - for 60 years so far. Hardly proof of danger :-)
It has been the opposite for THIS kind of use, which is the only kind
I was talking about.
My own findings are verified by the findings of others, and by
research. They apply not to any one specific disease but to any
CHRONIC disease in which there is association with genetic or
consistent lack of magnesium or deficiency in function of magnesium.
This is the case in MANY chronic diseases - Gittelmans, Bartletts,
Muscular Dystrophy being examples. In musc ular dystrophy I explained
the full chemistry behind my magnesium suggestions.

In high doses (not medium ones as as I need) MgCl has also been
shown to cure chronic disease, provided it is MgCl. But I do not
remember the name of THAT researcher - so did not mention that
before, and I have no handy reference.

I do not feel obliged to provide more.
If you do not need this information, or you do not like it for any
reason, please feel free to delete it.

As to what brand of MgCl *you* prefer, I have no opinions on that. If
you prefer one I did not mention, nobody is stopping you from using
it. I prefer to use what has proven to work, as I see the reasons it
does work. Calcium and magnesium work together - it is very important
IMO to provide both. But you must do as you see fit.

Have a great day.
Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."