Minutus

Dear David
Oscillococcinum is the same remedy as Anas Barb.
Liz

Hi Ellen,
I sympathize with your having to send you beloved away into the teeth of what has been built up as a scary situation..
-but I don't think there is much to fear.
As of 18:00 GMT, 29 April 2009, nine countries have officially reported 148 cases of swine influenza A/H1N1 infection. The United States Government has reported 91 laboratory confirmed human cases, with one death.
91 confirmed cases in the whole U.S.
One dead, out of 91 - by this very limited "statistic" and other similar numbers from W.H.O.,
this version of flu is quite a lot less dangerous than "average" yearly flu.
It also seems not to be spreading to large amounts of people.
The "official" info on WHO site states 27 deaths "confirmed" as being this particular so-called "swine flu."
Mexico's health minister states "suspected" figure of approx. 160 dead, out of approx. 2,500 suspected cases.
That is a much higher death rate but still only around 7%; someone here made an astute comment about many of those deaths (likely) being in Mexico City, where "leaded" gasoline causes pretty toxic air polllution; also the additional possible "co-factor" of air pollution from farmers burning agricultural residue this time of year.. could be a factor.

So, unless your husband typically becomes nearly deathly ill from flu .. it is vanishingly unlikely that he'll get it .. and if he did, a 1% chance of death WITHOUT your homeopathic aid.

No worries !

If there is time to do homeoprophylaxis "by the book" .. it is a "subclinical proving."
You'd want to use probably 30c in liquid posology, ("water potency") and repeat daily until the very first sense of some proving symptom, then stop and you're done.

If there's not time for this, give him on departure, perhaps single dry dose 12c Baptisia, based on his usual pattern, which matches what we know so far of "genus epidemicus" which means: the homeopathic symptom picture of the epidemic as a whole -- collecting all the symptoms from many victims..
Hahnemann's "Chronic Diseases" page 33:
"--- the entire and complete image of the typhus fever reigning at the time could only be obtained by gathering together the symptoms of all, or at least of many of these patients."

If he feels the slightest bit "off" (prodromal period) perhaps one dry dose, 30c Bapt.

Should he begin to fall ill, if it is intestinal, and if he is not a super-hypersensitive individual, I'd think that Bapt. 200c in liquid posology would be best. One pill, into one 8 or 12oz bottle. Succuss (shake with extreme force) 5 or 6 times prior to each use. Use approx one teaspoon per use. Use hourly until symptoms lessen, then do not use unless symptoms are just beginning to creep back .. then use as before; stop when symptoms abate.

Should symptoms CHANGE from intestinal to no-intestinal, but fever & bodyache with chilliness & hard cough, use Gels.

Eup Perf would be more intense body pain, great soreness of larynx & upper respiratory, coryza with thirst and drinking may cause vomiting.

A brief materia medica of some known " flu remedies "
http://www.simillimum.com/education/fir ... luenza.php
warm wishes,
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I have great respect for most of Julian Winston's hard work in
homeopathy, but whenever someone makes a "never" statement - it is
usually incorrect as is this one:
The truth is the opposite.
Such regimes are exceptionally effective and proven so.
See the work of Isaac Golden fro example, and my own work has shown
it in cats.
Also the work of all those vethoms before me, from whom I learned the
technique!

Namaste,
Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Hi Liz,

Dimly remembered, now that you mention, thanks for clarity.

http://homeoinfo.com/06_materia_medica/ ... ccinum.php
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Just offered it as an FYI
as it seems contradictory

In one instance we should only use remedies *DURING* an epidemic as a
preventative‑‑ as Hahnemann used
yet
Clinically , Ray Seidel, MD (Julian's homeopath) using 200c doses of
Influenzinum two weeks part, at the start of flu season. in thousands
of patients over a 30-year practice, had never had someone get flu.
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Hahnemann taught that homeopathic remedies will prevent the symptoms
that they produce in the provings.
In the _Lesser Writings_ Hahnemann wrote the following about Asian cholera.

“The above preparation of copper, together with good and moderate diet,
and proper attention to cleanliness, is the most certain preventive and
protective remedy; those in health should take, once a week, a small
globule of it (Cuprum 30c) in the morning fasting, and not drink
anything immediately afterward, but */this should not be done until the
cholera is in the locality itself, or in the neighborhood./*

The _Lesser Writings_ of Samuel Hahnemann, Dudgeon Edition, Cure and
Prevention of Asiatic Cholera, page 755.

It also point out that Hahnemann instructs, the remedy should not be
given until there is a clear and present danger.
Lynn
Shannon & Bob Nelson wrote:
--
Imagine Peace

Well, I would guess that a big part of the apparent contradiction just
comes from the "fuzzy boundaries" involved... When is an epidemic?
How near is near? (How close is my "back yard"?) If prophylaxis fails
to protect me from something that wouldn't happen anyway because it
isn't in the vicinity, is that bad? We do now have good evidence
about the effectiveness of (at least certain forms of)
homeoprophylaxis--much more than Hahnemann had. Do you *need* to
repeat a 200c every month to maintain immunity? Who knows...
Evidence is, tho, that that approach is both effective and safe (at
least no one so far has *mentioned* any proving symptoms from it)...

Does that speak to your points?

Shannon

Thank you for your thoughts

I wanted to pose both points as a means for group discussion.

My own preference is to use remedies prophylactically when one is
exposed to others during a heavy cold and flu season or during an
"epidemic" or "pandemic"
I don't normally suggest remedies to be used prophylactically to prepare
for cold and flu season, and I have at times suggested remedies (based
on the patient's past symptoms) for seasonal disorders, until we can get
to a point when the patient no longer suffers from seasonal allergies.

Lynn
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Shannon & Bob Nelson wrote:
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Imagine Peace

Hi Lynn,

There are a few things involved..

To be consistent with what I understand of homeopathic philosophy, as
I have seen it borne out in operation, and discussed in homeopathic
literature..
homeoprophylaxis is "a subclinical proving..."
and constitutes "a medicinal disease" ..
which, in a manner similar to that in which we observe in operation
when treating a person already suffering from dis-ease
the principle of "like cures like" ... where the "medicinal disease"
.. "displaces" .. the "weaker natural disease."
Therefore: the efficacy of such homeo prophylaxis remains only so
long as the (subclinical) "medicinal disease."
And: the required "level" of simillitude is inversely proportional to
the virulence of the acute epidemic disease..
though of course .. as in any other case, we will do better (on any
broad level) to "seek the simillimum."
So: we do it Hahnemann's way .. we find the "genus epidemicus"
and, as he stated, we wait until the epidemic (we don't treat for the
phantom of an epidemic, or the epidemic that has not yet reached our
locale.)
There are reasons for not initiating homeoprophylaxis until it is needed.
First and foremost .... (it is not needed --principle of
minimal intervention; "do no harm."
Secondly, unless we're using liquid posology, our ability to initiate
and sustain a subclinical proving isn't as great as the likelihood
that we will have success closer to the moment where the VF is
presented with the epidemic pathogen .. again, there is a sort of
window here where it's less critical if we've given a little "too
strong" a push instigating the medicinal disease.. as the VF's
response has a valid response in displacing the epidemic disease.

J.W.'s doctor's recommendation seems to have a lot of anecdotal
support, but it does not seem to be consistent with homeo prophylaxis
... Influenzinum MAY in some epidemics be "similar enough" (and as a
"nosode" may be thought to require less similitude for effectivity) ..
to support it's use as according to the "genus epidemicus" principle
... but there is no attention given to "how the heck do you think it
works" .. when there is no subclinical proving (ok, we can assume a
200c dose will have SOME sort of minor effect on SOME people .. while
we pray that super-sensitive ones aren't knocked for a loop.)
warm wishes,
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I hit SEND too fast !

There is one other bit which may be worth thinking about in terms of
whether or not the J.W. annual Influenzinum dose may have mode of
operation presently explainable as other than placebo (a great and
powerful medicine
-and that is the fact that some experiments in homeoprophylaxis using
nosodes have resulted in "appropriate" antigens in blood samples for
varying (and sometimes for fairly long ... time.)

Wow. Now I really want to know if Influenzinum can be found to have
caused antigens in blood test !
warm wishes,
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Hi Irene,

I'm getting a feel for you as a science practitioner, and sure, there
is likely to be plenty of food for thought in "raw" uninterpreted
scientific data, provided one has all the parameters of how the test
may have been engineered to produce data supporting the pharmceutical
product of the company who paid for the study

So, anyhow .. you seem to be doing a great job at bringing your
science into service describing "cytokine storm."

I'm sure there is no such thing as "too much" understanding of biochemistry..
but since homeopathy isn't based on biochemical models .. it seems a
bit tangential at times.
(nothing against cosines or tangents, some of my best friends are radians

What's my point?
It is that I've seen, in "present times" M.D's and others of similar
training background ... to be over-infused with Cartesian
reductionist thinking pursuant to their "modern medical"
(bio)"mechanical" model of living beings.

Some few M.D. homeopaths seem to have "fused" their two schools of
knowledge (making them fabulous homeopaths,) and pretty much ALL of
our historical literature is from "medical people." I'm not sure
when "lay homeopaths" became more of the norm (here in the U.S. at
least) though I imagine it to be consistent with "the fall of
homeopathy" somewhere in the late 1920's? J.W. would know. But
somewhere in there, the two schools of thought radically diverged, as
science became more and more focussed on being a means to an $$end.

And speaking of J.W. -may he rest in lively discussion & banjo picking !
http://julianwinston.com/music/me_and_my_old_banjo2.php

I'd wager that his comment about Isaac Golden's take on
homeoprophylaxis is based in the fact that Isaac's claimed success
doesn't fit within the model of homeopathy .. including that it seems
180 degrees away from minimum dose (although Isaac claims not.)

There are plenty of bright minds working on stuff like trying to
figure out the physics of homeopathy.
Someday, they will all see how brilliant my model of subatomic quark
lattice phase change is in describing it.
(joke
anyhow... in order to collect on the wager I just placed (unfair .. it
is a sure thing.)
all I need do is quote Isaac:
"..in practice, the homoeopathic prevention of a targeted infectious
disease can occur.." (when)
"An energetic clearing of a specific area of the patient’s energetic
bodies, which allows the vital force to work effectively when
challenged in that area"

'k, so we're talkin' spiritual science here, which is one of my
favorite things on the planet, but (ready for the punchline?)
-it ain't homeopathy.

Maybe it works. Maybe not. Maybe immunizations only maim some of the
kids, some of the time.

Working on cats, much as I love 'em, is ... for most of us .. a little
bit different from where we're coming from.
Vethoms are faced with some facts of life that make their practice a
little bit different.

While I agree with the sanctity of all life, and REALLY wish we could
stop with all the disgusting factory farms and other animal abuses
such as vivisection... it is in the sphere of human suffering that
homeopathy was born, and it is there where most of its practitioners
do their work.. and somehow, while all life is precious .. I still
have that human-centric but that says a human incarnation is a rare
privilege, and so .. an even bigger privilege to be of service in
relieving some suffering therein.
That's just my stuff, I"m not trying to put it on anyone else.
But it does speak to the number of years a human is designed to live..
and the responsibility of "doing no harm" to that human through h/ir
span of years.

Am I rambling?
'k, the point here is that homeopathy is a medical system (an
"alternative" one, now that the religion of scientism is trying to rub
us out) with checks & balances .. when done "by the book" we have a
lot of lifetimes & a lineage going back to Hahnemann and before him
Paracelsus and before him Hippocrates ...
http://www.homeoint.org/morrell/clarke/paracelsus.htm
all rolled into a system, that within its circumscribed boundary is
demonstrable, repeatable, evidenced based AND empirical, supported by
many case histories, a large body of literature, a fair number of
colleagues ... and now, the Internet to expand communication ..
fraught as it is with the ease of mis-communication due to differing
native language &/or idiom, differing cultural norms, and apparently
the incredible vulgarity of some working class U.S. born & raised
persons ;-p

Homeopathy is both science and art .. and as you practice the art of
obtaining unsullied information from scientific studies commissioned
by a coalition of profit-agenda-driven advertisers and beancounters
(admirable !)
so you and we practice the art of bringing ourselves to an effective
and caring practice of homeopathy ... which, when practiced "by the
book" gives the integrity of "doing none harm" while gathering
experience and practical skills in the Science of homeopathy.

So. From this perspective, Isaac Golden's stuff is .. mmm.. sure, cockamamie.

By Isaac's description, it isn't homeopathy.
I don't know if "it works" .. I don't know by what standards you might
claim "it works."

I don't even care !
Oho, you think: "closed minded"
Negatory, sorry .. if my mind were any more open it'd be leaky !

I don't care, because homeopathic treatment isn't about trying to find
some outside-the-box way of creating biochemical immunity (assuming
for a moment that "it works" in that realm) .. nor is it about
phase-shifting my celestial bodies into a more perfect alignment so
that by some cosmic accident I can no longer be infected with
pertussis.) (I can do that with medical Chi Kung.)

I don't care because the depth of the art and science of homeopathy is
such that a lifetime of learning and practice will continue to deepen
one's skill at relieving Chronic Disease. That is as close to being a
channel for Quan Yin as I can imagine !
Working to lessen and possibly remove what Hahnemann terms Chronic
Disease and the miasmatic basis there-for is what I DO care about.

Many people are trying to find various shortcuts or methods which they
hope will alleviate suffering .. without having a clear and
demonstrable success in so-doing "by the book" of homeopathy: by
addressing the susceptibility, the miasmic taint of chronic disease.
Perhaps they mean well.
They do not provide me with anything I wish to emulate or experiment
with, though.

On the other hand, I wish Isaac Golden, Peter Morrell, Hulda Clark,
everyone studying the work of Royal Rife, Ed "Mr. Oxygen" McCabe,
Mantak, Chia, and hundreds if not thousands of other "alternative
health" researchers all the best.. much success.

-and I wish all homeopaths everywhere, good success in your cases,
good growth in your practice!

warm wishes,
david 510.776.5914 fax: 510.336.6671
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On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Irene de Villiers
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