Re: Well here's a new one!!!!! More!!
Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 4:22 pm
I agree that patients will often be misinformed on the use of remedies like Arnica.
There are thousands of websites--quite a lot of them run by MDs and naturopaths who are trained along the conventional medical model--which promote the use of Arnica PRE-SURGERY, just like Paul's example, to their patients. There are millions of health food stores with staff who also have no idea about the use of this remedy (and if you ever get a chance to read some of the promotional literature put out by labs like Unda or Boiron for example, you won't be surprised about why these people are misinformed) promoting its misuse to anyone who walks in. Paul Booys' example is pretty much the way conventional medicine understands medicine--they use every substance the way they'd use their own substances, and they don't bother to figure out whether or not arnica would be used that way by a homeopath or in traditional homeopathic clinical use. They just don't think such things exist: it's ignorance, that's all.
I advise my patients to take a dose of Arnica just before being taken to surgery--and my reasons for this are because no one on the hospital staff will carry out the patients' wishes to be dosed with the arnica post surgery, and when the patient awakes in the recovery room, they will be alone and they will have no access to the arnica to administer a dose for themselves. So this, to me, means needless suffering, particularly because arnica can help the traumatized tissue heal much more readily, and lessen the patient's pain as well. One dose on the way to surgery allows the patient to avoid all of this, and by then, the patient is already in a kind of shock anyway (there's a good chance they've been sedated during prep and they're often frightened), so it isn't at all like the remedy isn't homeopathic to the case even at that point. Post surgery, they're given some direction on how to dose with arnica and other remedies that may be useful to their own case that they will be able to administer themselves. Everything works much more smoothly this way, the doctors are impressed with the quick recovery, the patients feel in control and healthier more quickly, everyone's happy.
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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: pb000014@pixie.co.za
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 10:54:00 +0200
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Well here's a new one!!!!! More!!
Hi Rosemary,
Maybe he has a point. Some years back they ran a "trial" in South Africa. Some plastic surgeons (doing facials etc) had some patients on Arnica. They noted more bruising and a tendency to bleed more. Of course the homeopathic community denounced this as "nonsense propaganda". BUT, the patients were taking Arnica 200c starting 2 weeks pre-op. This was on instruction from professionals. Unfortunately it is is taught here (as probably in other countries) that homeopathy is totally safe.
You mentioned it works on different planes. Well, irrespective, basic homeopathy teaches about provings. A proving sets up the susceptibility to stresses (by mimicking the disease state) and then all you need is the stressor (the injury-surgery).
In my opinion these patients were doing provings. Once they had surgery the process was complete and they bled. This has been a bane of my life, as I often recommend arnica and have great resistance to it's use. But, I recommend it's use after the op, once the injury is done, so that the arnica now works to oppose the disease state, not progress as a proving.
I also recommend a lower potency.
regards,
Paul
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There are thousands of websites--quite a lot of them run by MDs and naturopaths who are trained along the conventional medical model--which promote the use of Arnica PRE-SURGERY, just like Paul's example, to their patients. There are millions of health food stores with staff who also have no idea about the use of this remedy (and if you ever get a chance to read some of the promotional literature put out by labs like Unda or Boiron for example, you won't be surprised about why these people are misinformed) promoting its misuse to anyone who walks in. Paul Booys' example is pretty much the way conventional medicine understands medicine--they use every substance the way they'd use their own substances, and they don't bother to figure out whether or not arnica would be used that way by a homeopath or in traditional homeopathic clinical use. They just don't think such things exist: it's ignorance, that's all.
I advise my patients to take a dose of Arnica just before being taken to surgery--and my reasons for this are because no one on the hospital staff will carry out the patients' wishes to be dosed with the arnica post surgery, and when the patient awakes in the recovery room, they will be alone and they will have no access to the arnica to administer a dose for themselves. So this, to me, means needless suffering, particularly because arnica can help the traumatized tissue heal much more readily, and lessen the patient's pain as well. One dose on the way to surgery allows the patient to avoid all of this, and by then, the patient is already in a kind of shock anyway (there's a good chance they've been sedated during prep and they're often frightened), so it isn't at all like the remedy isn't homeopathic to the case even at that point. Post surgery, they're given some direction on how to dose with arnica and other remedies that may be useful to their own case that they will be able to administer themselves. Everything works much more smoothly this way, the doctors are impressed with the quick recovery, the patients feel in control and healthier more quickly, everyone's happy.
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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: pb000014@pixie.co.za
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 10:54:00 +0200
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Well here's a new one!!!!! More!!
Hi Rosemary,
Maybe he has a point. Some years back they ran a "trial" in South Africa. Some plastic surgeons (doing facials etc) had some patients on Arnica. They noted more bruising and a tendency to bleed more. Of course the homeopathic community denounced this as "nonsense propaganda". BUT, the patients were taking Arnica 200c starting 2 weeks pre-op. This was on instruction from professionals. Unfortunately it is is taught here (as probably in other countries) that homeopathy is totally safe.
You mentioned it works on different planes. Well, irrespective, basic homeopathy teaches about provings. A proving sets up the susceptibility to stresses (by mimicking the disease state) and then all you need is the stressor (the injury-surgery).
In my opinion these patients were doing provings. Once they had surgery the process was complete and they bled. This has been a bane of my life, as I often recommend arnica and have great resistance to it's use. But, I recommend it's use after the op, once the injury is done, so that the arnica now works to oppose the disease state, not progress as a proving.
I also recommend a lower potency.
regards,
Paul
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