Advice

[Tanya Marquette]

I find when people attack me for not being perfect a) I tell them I am a work in progress, and b) I know they are
looking to promote their own denial and refusal to look at different kinds of information that may be uncomfortable
for them to deal with.

t
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[Rachel]

yeah. it's complicated. it takes homeopaths years to internalize the more advanced health paradigm of homeopathy, so i guess we can't expect people in an audience to do so in a few minutes.
the reality i had last year is that i was on a really good constitutional and every time i took a dose it caused my entire head to basically flood with mucus for about two weeks. now how do you sell THAT to a bunch of newbies and make it sound appealing!


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From: "'Dr. J Rozencwajg, NMD' jroz@ihug.co.nz [minutus]"
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 4:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Advice
This brings us back to the root of homeopathy and of any human activity, basically: individualisation.....and presentation

We all keep having to deal with acutes....if I had been in your case, Rachel, I would have presented the situation as a half-full glass: "despite having laryngitis, and thanks to homeopathy, I am able to give my talk, albeit nasally, whereas without homeopathy I would be in bed and the talk cancelled".

As for chronic health problems, it depends not only "what" it is but "how" you deal with it and live with it.....nothing is more hilarious in my clinic than patients asking me to cure their loss of hair; and yet, despite being an egghead, I often manage to do so by resolving the patient's core issues, which are related to them, not to why I save a lot on shampoo and conditioner.

I mentioned earlier that I still pay for my childhood nutritional behaviour with my dental health; that does not prevent me to recommend and treat dental problems in patients, when those problems are within the scope of my knowledge.

That being said, "Healer, heal thyself" is still perfectly valid.

Joe.

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.

"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"

www.naturamedica.co.nz
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[Roger B]

But having a cough is a perfectly healthy part of the healing process. It does not mean that you are unhealthy or have not made major strides in your health. But having chronic high blood pressure is not. People will look at my profile and see what they imagine is an unhealthy person, but I have made major strides in my health. What I do and know works, and I can prove it.

But you are right; if people think shallowly, then nothing really works except perhaps allopathic so-called medicine.

Roger Bird
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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 20:59:27 +0000
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Advice
that reminds me of when i've done homeopathy talks with partial laryngitis or a bad case of post nasal drip. it's happened on more than one occasion and it was painfully obvious to me that this would seriously reduce my credibility, even tho really, if people actually understand, that's ridiculous. just because i purport that homeopathy is amazing and works, does not have to mean that i personally have solved all my health problems, forever. it's a very unfortunate and short sighted attitude.

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From: "Roger B rogerbird2@hotmail.com [minutus]"
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 3:31 PM
Subject: [Minutus] Advice
I see a lot of nutritional advice here at Minutus. That's just great. But if the person giving the advice is not in excellent health or, more importantly, has not made great strides in improving their own health problems, then what possible good is their advice to me!? And if someone says that they have credibility but that their own health issues are not curable, I just reject that idea that not everything can be cured, not because it may or may not be true, but because it is a philosophy that doesn't do anyone any good. And it is usually an excuse for failure, especially when coming from the medical profession. Only death is incurable, and it turns out that death is not a bad thing but a thing that we create based upon how we have treated others.

And if someone says that they have credibility because they know a lot even if they haven't made great strides in their own health, then I wonder just how valuable their knowledge is.

I recently had my mind blown when a health practitioner admitted that they had X, Y, and Z health problems, and I wondered why I was listening to that otherwise good and intelligent person. It is true that he or she had great knowledge of a technical nature regarding their very technical speciality, and I am happy to listen to them with regard to their speciality, but health credibility of a general nature he or she did not have with me.

I am not targeting anyone with this comment; I usually don't connect names to ideas since I am so focused on the ideas; so no one has to take my remarks personally, ever.
Roger Bird

[Roger B]

I guess I am really referring to the issues of credibility as it applies to nutrition. Homeopathy is a settled body of knowledge, sort of. My wife was cured of endometriosis by a computer using homeopathy, so I guess a human being using homeopathy would have to be better than a computer, no matter what the human being's health or health history.

What set me off was that some dude elsewhere is telling me about all of his scientific health knowledge and I am telling him that I healed my supposedly incurable condition. Who ya' going to believe?

Roger Bird
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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 21:51:25 +0000
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Advice
yeah. it's complicated. it takes homeopaths years to internalize the more advanced health paradigm of homeopathy, so i guess we can't expect people in an audience to do so in a few minutes.
the reality i had last year is that i was on a really good constitutional and every time i took a dose it caused my entire head to basically flood with mucus for about two weeks. now how do you sell THAT to a bunch of newbies and make it sound appealing!


________________________________

From: "'Dr. J Rozencwajg, NMD' jroz@ihug.co.nz [minutus]"
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 4:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Advice
This brings us back to the root of homeopathy and of any human activity, basically: individualisation.....and presentation

We all keep having to deal with acutes....if I had been in your case, Rachel, I would have presented the situation as a half-full glass: "despite having laryngitis, and thanks to homeopathy, I am able to give my talk, albeit nasally, whereas without homeopathy I would be in bed and the talk cancelled".

As for chronic health problems, it depends not only "what" it is but "how" you deal with it and live with it.....nothing is more hilarious in my clinic than patients asking me to cure their loss of hair; and yet, despite being an egghead, I often manage to do so by resolving the patient's core issues, which are related to them, not to why I save a lot on shampoo and conditioner.

I mentioned earlier that I still pay for my childhood nutritional behaviour with my dental health; that does not prevent me to recommend and treat dental problems in patients, when those problems are within the scope of my knowledge.

That being said, "Healer, heal thyself" is still perfectly valid.

Joe.

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"
www.naturamedica.co.nz
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[Roger B]

Since you are all taking it so personally, how about if we turn it around. Shouldn't a person who has made great strides in their health have valuable things to say? That doesn't mean that we should not question them.

I get a lot of people, elsewhere, who "know" a lot of scientific health information, but they haven't accomplished anything. It is certain that people with imperfect health can know a lot. My health is still very imperfect and will be until the day that I die. And it is certain that homeopathic practitioners have accomplished a lot, unless today is their very first day of practice.

Roger Bird
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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 16:40:50 -0500
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Advice

I find when people attack me for not being perfect a) I tell them I am a work in progress, and b) I know they are

looking to promote their own denial and refusal to look at different kinds of information that may be uncomfortable
for them to deal with.

t

[Irene de Villiers]

I wonder how much you have thought this through.
If someone gets their leg blown off in a war zone, are they useless at nutrition advice just becasue their leg seems incurable by failing to regenerate. Or do you think it is healthy to be minus a leg.
Do you really think anyone can be totally objective about their own situation? So as to heal themsleves? There is a belief, for good reasons, that a homepath who is their own homeopath, has a fool for a homeopath.
If you want your nutrition advisor to be fully healthy, those kinds of tings are considerations.
What is it about a person that disqualifies them from being able to give good advice on one topic while not having perfect progress in another area?
Yet you require perfect health for someone to have expert knowledge in thde separate subject of nutrition.
Or do you assume good nutrition can fix anything?

I do not think you have applied logic or common sense.
Nor do I think the 100% healthy individual even exists.
However, if they did exist, there would be no reason to think they know everything about nutrition - or they may know a lot about it but lack the skills to apply it to someon ewho is different from themsleves.

So I think you have not thought this through. It looks like a lazy knee-jerk idea rather than one designed from true objectives of wanting to learn the most valid principles about nutrition from the best provider of same

I for one am not 100% healthy either.
Does that mean that what I know about nutrition is somehow invalid?
Somehow what I know about the way know individuals work, is somehow negated in all the research I have studied, becasue I personally have less then perfect health?

I think not.
We have a huge volume of nutrition research available to us. Different members of this forum know more or less about it but their own health does not affect what knowledge they have, or what skills they have at describing the knowledge.

Your shortcut of looking for someone in perfect health, is not an answer to getting good nutrition advice.
You will need to be less lazy and more actively involved in judging the information you see/hear, than that:-)
Namaste,
Irene

PS It IS possible to regenerate parts that are traumatically lost.
It worked for a cat I had, who regenerated his ears, at a rate of about quarter inch per week for the full 2.5 inches.
I just wish I knew how to repeat it:-)
All I have as a memory is the vet's face when he realized he was not dreaming what he was seeing:-)
So MAYBE nothing's impossible in the healing game, but nobody yet knows it all!

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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.Furryboots.info
(Info on Feline health, genetics, nutrition & homeopathy)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[Tanya Marquette]

A simple way to put it is that very often it is through struggling with one’s own problems that we become highly educated
on the issue. Further, such study often opens us up to expanding our studies.

t

[Marybeth Buchele]

Ah, yes. The Jungian concept of the wounded healer.

--
Marybeth Buchele, HMC, CCH, RSHom(NA)
Professional Homeopath & Flower Essence Practitioner

Offices in Ames, IA, Menomonie, WI and St. Louis Park, MN
www.natural-wellness.us