Minutus

Soroush, I am not sure what your little story has to do with the question
asked but I think it is far more important to individualise a case rather
than routinely prescribe any remedy, even LM's.

I have had numerous cases where LM's have failed to bring about cure but
when given a 30c there has been immediate good reaction. Of course we do not
have the science to tell us whether it was the original LM just beginning to
work, or the 30c working on its own or a combination of the two but
coincidence is revealing. So I personally disagree with routine potency
prescribing.

Also, if you wade through your materia medicas you will see that there are,
in fact, some remedies, such as Crataegus for example, which benefit by
repetition - they actually require a cumulative dose to work at best.

Regards, Joy

Dear Joy

Of course we should always individualise.

LM is quite low potency if its possible to compare at all to 30C. It could
be that you have started on LMs and the 30C has finished the task. But what
you will find is that 30C in water will work much better than dry.

As for Crat - and some other remedies, I have no objection to a remedy being
repeated if necessary. With Crat and especially in cases of heart pathology,
of course it may be (and often is) necessary to repeat often as the
patient's symptoms demand it.

Rgds
Soroush

Message: 6
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 19:10:55 +0100
From: Joy Lucas
Subject: Re: Potency Question

Soroush, I am not sure what your little story has to do with the question
asked but I think it is far more important to individualise a case rather
than routinely prescribe any remedy, even LM's.

I have had numerous cases where LM's have failed to bring about cure but
when given a 30c there has been immediate good reaction. Of course we do not
have the science to tell us whether it was the original LM just beginning to
work, or the 30c working on its own or a combination of the two but
coincidence is revealing. So I personally disagree with routine potency
prescribing.

Also, if you wade through your materia medicas you will see that there are,
in fact, some remedies, such as Crataegus for example, which benefit by
repetition - they actually require a cumulative dose to work at best.

Regards, Joy
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Hi Soroush,

Altho I understand the enthusiasm for water dosing, it's not always
necessary *and* it's not always best. I have had two occasions where water
dose did not work, but dry dose did. Dunno why, wish I did... (One was 30c
shaken into water for an injury; water dose gave no pain relief, but I knew
that it "should", so took dry, which worked as expected.)

I also had an experience where the LM that my practitioner had me on was
doing nothing at all, for some time, but 30 of the same remedy worked well.
So my experience tallies with Joy's, we need to keep sight of the whole
range of possibilities!

(I would also say that, cool as LMs are, dry Cs are IME often preferrable
for practical reasons; not to throw the baby out with the bath water...)

Best,
Shannon
on 7/4/03 3:53 PM, Finrod at finrod@webstar.co.uk wrote:

Hi Joy,
I have a particular interest in Crataegus. Can you remember which MM has reference to a cumulative dose please? If it is something you just remember seeing and don't know from where, never mind as it is not vital. Am still not sure if I am receiving any post yet from list on a changed email (despite it looking fine on Yahoo) so please also reply to me personally . Thanks a lot
Rochelle
www.rochellemarsden.co.uk

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Dear Rochelle, I am quite sure it would be Boericke but I would bet that
Kent would give details also and possibly Murphy.

best wishes, Joy
on 7/5/03 2:03 PM, ROCHELLE at rochelle@ntlworld.com wrote:



Hi Joy,
I have a particular interest in Crataegus. Can you remember which MM has
reference to a cumulative dose please? If it is something you just remember
seeing and don't know from where, never mind as it is not vital. Am still
not sure if I am receiving any post yet from list on a changed email
(despite it looking fine on Yahoo) so please also reply to me personally .
Thanks a lot
Rochelle
www.rochellemarsden.co.uk
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Some other colleagues have also mentioned that sometimes LM does not seem to
work but 30C seems to work.

I do not know how the LM was prescribed, but the way I do it is to give one
dose and wait a few days.

If there is absolutely no change to give another dose and wait.

Again if there is absolutely no change to give the dose more often watching
out for proving symptoms in case the remedy is completely off.

There are no hard and fast rules in this and at the end of the day you have
to take the recommendations of Hn and if one methods does not seem to work
well, one can try others. But I would add that if you are sure that the
remedy selection is good and LM has not worked then for sure try it in C.

==
VERY BRIEF EXPLANATION OF POTENCIES

X Potencies: X=1/10

These start with one drop of the mother tincture being added to 9 drops
water/alcohol mixture, Succussed 10 times - this gives 1X
one drop of 1X on to 9 drops of water/alcohol mixture, Succussed, this
gives 2X and so on.

C Potencies: C = 1/100 (M= 1000)
These start with one drop of the mother tincture being added to 99 drops
water/alcohol mixture, Succussed, this gives 1C
one drop of 1X on to 99 drops of water/alcohol mixture, Succussed, this
gives 2C and so on.

For insoluble (eg GOLD) 1 part is added to 99 parts of lactose and it is
ground in a pestle according to specific instructions.
then one part of this added to another 99 parts and again ground and then a
third time.
This then dissolves in alcohol water mixture and when succussed gives you 4
C.

The set Potencies here are 3, 6, 12, 18 (rarely used) 30, 200, 1000 (1M),
10,000 (10M), 50M and 100M
LM
L= 50, M= 1000
The material is dissolved in steps of 1:50,000 (To save alcohol it is done
in two stages of dilution). The succussion is 200 times
Because of the low dilution but high succussions of LMs one cannot really
compare the C potencies with LMs.

==
I have compared potencies to guns.

Low potency (6C) I have compared to a "Sawn off" (short barrel) shot gun.
This is one favoured by bank robbers because the shots come out and scatter
wide so you can cover the whole lobby of a bank easily. The range is short.

As we go up in potency the barrel lengthen so that the cluster of shots get
closer and closer and the range gets a bit longer.

At 200 we are looking at a rifle perhaps and then as we get in to the M
range we are dealing with a hunting rifle with a telescopic sight so that
you are accurately placing the powerful bullet at a long distance.

This is just an analogy and hope it is of use to get a mental image of the
effect and perhaps duration.

Rgds
Soroush
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