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Re: anyone know ....

Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 11:25 pm
by Rochelle
No she is not veggie!!
Rochelle
Registered Homeopath
EFT(Advanced) Practitioner
www.southporthomeopathy.co.uk

Re: anyone know ....

Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 7:53 pm
by healthinfo6
Well, it's about time you recommended the Atkins Diet, "NO carbs", for bringing and keeping down blood glucose! Had a couple of 300+ days hovering in the 200's, due to Thanksgiving, damn that stuffing, corn bread and pumpkin pie ;-), a day of strict Atkins got me back to mid 150's.

I haven't found gymnema that helpful, sometimes it RAISES my blood glucose. It's only good for blocking absorption of glucose when taken BEFORE eating, not after glucose has risen in your bloodstream. That's why it's known as the sugar blocker. The white kidney bean extract, sold as Phase 2, blocks starch absorption BEFORE eating.

Eating a couple tablespoons coconut oil brings down blood glucose quickly, maybe 50 points at a time.

Add Evening Primrose oil, GLA, to the alpha lipoic acid is a recommended diabetic combo.

If the mother is type B blood, red meat is highly recommended.
Susan

Re: anyone know ....

Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 8:06 pm
by Shannon Nelson
Yikes, how to you eat two tablespoons of coconut oil!! I love it *in*
foods, but would that do the job? (I use it e.g. on toast and in
grains, which I suppose is counterproductive for that purpose?)
Shannon

Re: anyone know ....

Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 9:10 pm
by healthinfo6
I saw this trick on a TV informercial for a book, I think Bottom Line Health Secrets. Coconut is high in MCT (medium chain triglycerides) and caprylic acid. The former promotes fat burning and ketosis, the latter kills yeast. It does work most times I've tried, but it can make you nauseous. ;)

Susan

Re: anyone know ....

Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 9:13 pm
by Rochelle
I'd just rather not get into that situation when it becomes necessary to take it. I really don't miss junk food. I do eat chocolate but 85%+. Green and Blacks Organic is the best!!
Rochelle
Registered Homeopath
EFT(Advanced) Practitioner
www.southporthomeopathy.co.uk

Re: anyone know ....

Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 12:57 am
by Irene de Villiers
"no carbs" and Atkins are not the same thing however.

Atkins is not the best way to go no-carb, and there are better ways:
High antioxidants, low inflammation and low carbs - combined - is
best IMO.
Atkins is not low inflammation nor high antioxidant.

But it definitely helps on the low carb aspects:-)

Namaste,
Irene
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P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
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Re: anyone know ....

Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 1:00 am
by Irene de Villiers
I find protein is best to bring down a high glucose - NOT fat.

Having a little fat with the protein is a good idea in general. But
I'd go for a teaspoon of extra virgin olive oil.
It is strongly anti-inflammatory and that helps.

Namaste,
Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Re: anyone know ....

Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 3:17 am
by Shannon Nelson
Thanks Irene,
I hadn't heard/read that protein would bring *down* high blood sugar,
after the mistakes have already been made--but you find by experience
that it does work? Can you give me an idea of how much protein should
be taken (she'd probably use a liquid collagen drink, or else a protein
powder in yogurt) and how long it would take to, for e.g., normalize a
level of perhaps 180??
Shannon

Re: anyone know ....

Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 3:39 am
by healthinfo6
Having followed the Atkins Diet for over 30 years, my experiences and blood test results, all of which I have kept, provide positive evidence that far outweighs a biased opinion based on reading about a diet yet never actually trying it and experiencing the benefits, like those who criticize homeopathy but never took a remedy.

I finally found a copy of Dr. Bernstein's diabetes diet book, the one you say you follow. While no bookstore had it, I tried five, Vitamin Shoppe had it in their lending library. I was expecting something radical, as you said he recommends keeping blood glucose below 90. I didn't find him pushing that as a goal. He recommends a carb diet of 6 grams breakfast, 12 lunch, 12 dinner, basically Atkins level two. Bernstein is type 1 diabetic, not from autoimmune reasons, he became after being type 2. That's because he's consistently eating too many carbs for himself, never reaching ketosis and he burnt out his pancreas. DUH! His list of foods looks like he copied it directly from Atkins' books. It's not a bad book for a beginner without severe blood sugar disturbances with some interesting vitamin suggestions, but it comes way too late in the diabetes progression cycle for prevention or avoiding the complications both he and you have experienced by not eliminating carbs before diabetes. Even his strenuous running daily exercise did not prevent his fall into diabetes type 1. That's because you need to do con stant exercise to maintain the blood glucose lowering effects, impractical for many people and I haven't found it being able to offset the ingestion of too many carbs for your own metabolism.

By following Atkins, geared for weight loss in the induction phase with blood sugar regulation in all phases, you determine your own personal carb level of tolerance by testing for urine ketones. If diabetic, you can add the urine glucose test strips to see what amount and type of carbs bring you to spill sugar in the urine. Using the combo Keto-Diastix you can test urine for both on one strip. Having a high blood glucose reading doesn't always translate to a high urine glucose one, depends on type of carbs eaten.

You have incorrectly categorized the Atkins Diet as a high protein one, like Drs, Eades' Protein Power diet. Atkins is a high fat diet, preferably saturated fat, which research shows is quite healthy and necessary, like in your brain. Fat consumpiton achieves ketosis, not protein. The amount of protein is not recommended, you can eat none, all fat, with just no then low carb. The same amount of protein you eat in the menu you previously provided can be maintained on Atkins. If you don't want to eat red meat, you can eat all fish. When I want to get back into ketosis fast, I eat Brie cheese or a fatty steak. High protein/low fat fish and chicken do not work as well for me initially though I can maintain ketosis with these.

Another miscategorization you make of Atkins as inflammatory. Unless one has tested their cardio CRP, c-reactive protein, one does not know how much inflammation they have and once they do, the cause. Meanwhile, the majority of the inflammation problems being tallied are from those not on the Atkins Diet, so there are many other reasons one has inflammation like a high carb diet. I'm finding diet change to no sat fat is not making much inflammation difference upon a CRP retest along with aspirin. Abdominal fat, the most dangerous, emits cytokeines that promote inflammation. I have obtained an unlimited supply of Crestor, the statin drug, whose recent research shows a 50% decrease in CRP inflammation for those with normal to low cholesterol. Since I fit that category with a 164 CHOL, I'm going to try a month+ test to see if my CRP levels come down as that is more important than the side effects.

As I've discussed previously, the Atkins Diet and ketosis, allows you to eat freely, without caloric restriction and timing, as you progress longer in ketosis and lose your hunger, you eventually eat much less and often, both which research shows are anti-aging and longevity promoting aspects. Once I'm on the diet, a breakfast of eggs, butter, cheese and sausage assuage my hunger all day and keep blood glucose levels low.

Dr. Atkins, like Hahnemann, must have done something right. His diet books after 30 years, ranks #2 in sales for the last 15 years, beating ALL Harry Potter books except one.

http://www.usatoday.com/life/books/news ... ooks_n.htm
Quite a feat for such a "dangerous" diet! ;-)

Susan

Re: anyone know ....

Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 4:10 am
by healthinfo6
Protein doesn't bring down blood sugar, fat does. Eating too much
protein at once, when diabetic, will convert to glucose in the
liver. That's why pure fat, like coconut oil brings down blood sugar.

Susan

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