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Have you ever read Hahnemann's description of how to take a case?
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And also pls ask how many have read the Organon and Chronic Diseases from
cover to cover at least once!

Dave,

This is a lack of knowledge from your side.
It is quite rude and silly to say those things.
Many patients were cured with this method.
Sehgal's method is not in contradiction with the Organon, it expands our
tools and understanding the mind
But obvious not for you, I feel sorry for you.

Piet

Sehgal's method may offer some perspective that could be useful on occasion.
If a person is "stuck" on a case, it is always good to try to look at it
from different angles; allegory is one.
HOWEVER, in general, what we're hearing about it here (and have done so for
years on another list) is that it is a "NOT-homeopathy" but something
different- clearly distinguishable in that:
Sehgal has his own repertory, which has no basis in provings.
Sehgal method is reportedly based on using Sehgal repertory IN PLACE OF
materia medica.

These two things alone will show to any thinking person that Sehgal method
has lost basic roots in Homeopathy!

In homeopathy, the repertory is merely a useful index to the all-important
materia medica, and (of course) simillitude is presumed based on the
principle of homeopathy (similar suffering, by definition)

Also: there is nothing "wrong" with Tarot cards.
If you (or anyone) wishes to prescribe based on Tarot cards, go right ahead-
but PLEASE.. do not represent this practice as "homeopathy" it (and Seghal
method) are very, very different and should stand or fall on their own
merits.

For your part- I suppose you agree that a person who is curious should be
described on that basis by a rubric such as "desire for light" ?? (and You
feel sorry for me?
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The rubric desire for light can be used in its metaphoric sense in that it
means someone wants enlightenment. This does not mean that the rubric is
used everytime someone wants to know whats wrong with them. It has to be
the state of disposition of that person.
The need to know is a strong need for them.

If we use this rubric just when someone wants the light on we will limit
ourselves from the full potential of the remedies in this rubric.

For instance if we took as is, when would we use the rubric Shuns the light.
Hardly ever I think, but this rubric is used successfully when patients dont
want to know whats wrong with them. the patient who says I wont go to the
doctor I dont want to find out. What is the reason for this - it is fear.
A fear that to have the diagnosis would be too fearful a state for them to
contend with.

With this method we use metaphorical intepretation of the rubrics but it
works very well.

Fear of falling, again when would we use this rubric. Not very often unless
we look at it in a deeper sense. Two week ago I had a woman come with a
terrible pain in her left arm as if in a vice. She had lost her husband a
month ago. I asked her if she had grieved and she said only a small amount.
i asked her why and she said because I am frightened if I let go I wont be
able to get back up out of it. I took the rubric Fear of Falling and with
Grief Silent and Fear of losing Self control I gave her Gels. On her
follow-up yesterday she said that she was now able to cry and didnt feel she
needed to hold on and the pain in her arm was completely gone. I have used
this rubric many times with good results.

As I said in my last mail when would the rubric Clinging grasps the Nurse,
be used other than in its broader wider sense with regard to us as
practitioners being the nurse for our patients.

Someone mentioned Phosphorus as needing re-assurance. This is again because
Phos desires the light. It has a fear of the dark. This we use as fear of
the unknown. What the patients doesnt know about his disease e.g. I have
this eruption on my arm, what do you think it is, I like to know. Why do
these remedies desire the light, mostly because they fear the dark. The
dark being the unknown.

Why does Pulsatilla need re-assurance. Puls needs re-assurance because it
desires to be carried. What does this mean. Well lets take a child whose
mothers says that the child wont be put down wants to be carried everywhere.
Then we can rightly take the rubric Carried desire to be. What happens when
the child grows up and that strong symptom of desiring to be carried cannot
be now fulfilled by physical carrying. The symptom in the adult matures
into a need for others to do things for them. Patients who need their
family or friends to do everything for them. The patient who gets his/her
partner to arrange the appointment, or to take them there. It is a need for
support, then we can use the rubric Desire to be Carried in the adult. This
opens up the repertory for us to use different rubrics to their full extent
and thus solve more cases.
Lisa Barrett

what about asking the patient - why do you want the light on? maybe they
will tell you what the reason is without having to interpret or assume we
know what the patient wants.
when i lived in london (origionally from southern california) i wanted the
lights on because it was like the sun that i missed and lacked back home.
straight and simple - if my homeopath took desire for light - needs
enlightenment - and NOT asked me why - they would have missed = my need /
desire for sunlight which was the reason - my spiritual state was not
involved with my desire for the light on - it was purely something i missed
from home.

when my mother died i did not want to let go of her memory because i missed
her but do i have a fear of falling? Also, to let go does not always mean
to fall / to let go can be a release - who decided there was a descent in
letting go? letting go can be as in holding a rope and falling or
releaseing a grip onto the past or letting go of a weight that is pulling us
down in a slow falling manner and then we let go and we rise up?? could that
not be a fear of flying/floating/going to heaven/or fear of
enlightenment?????

to use this type of free-association - everyone who does this can/will come
up with different connections.

we are individual's and so are our patients - lets ask them what they
mean....its their healing journey NOT OURS.
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"opens up the repertory..." "..to use rubrics to their fullest extent.."

godz save us from such nonsense!

The repertory is VERY SIMPLY:
NOTHING more than an index to the materia medica.

It is not an ouijia board nor a complex deeply subtexted psychological
treatise.

INDEX to the materia medica. 5 little words, comprising the complete and
accurate definition and purpose of the repertory, as well as its
construction.

Lisa seems to feel that it is appropriate to redefine rubrics in repertory
without the slightest regard for their relationship to materia medica, then
proceed to Rx on what exists in her imagination alone.

I submit that Lisa basically has practically no knowledge of homeopathy, and
has been learning this perverse "method" for about 2 years, and really ought
to be encouraged to learn basics of homeopathy and to cease making ignorant
statements (or recommendations on cases) until she can do so in a manner
which is RATIONALLY consistent with homeopathy.

It seems like Lisa has Fear of a little Hard Work in learning the basics,
and Desire for Shortcut to Pedestal from which to Pontificate.
Dave Hartley
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Yes INDEED... "physician heal thyself"
Dave Hartley
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Dear All,

Unfortunately Dave Hartley's rudeness is only exceeded by his ignorance.

First let me clarify. I have studied Sehgal Method for 6 years. Day in Day
out many hours. Observations. Often going to the bedside of patients.
This is a way of life not tarot or anything such like.

Dr. Sehgal has not got his own repertory.

OK Dave, A challenge.

Please describe for me the differences between Affectation in Lyc, Plat and
Hyos

Go to your MM if you like. I have recognised it by constant observations in
clinic and many hours of thought on the subject.

Tell me why Ignatia feigns sick. How it feigns sick and compare this to the
way Belladonna feigns sick.

Compare the Indifference to Suffering between Op and Stram

Why is Hyos not there when it has Indifference does not complain.

Why does Nux-vom Yield when it is such an angry remedy.

Why is Sulphur in Fear of Poverty but not Delusions Poor. Differentiate
and back up with other rubrics,

OK Dave I can go on all day but this will probably take you a few weeks. It
took me a while by constant study,. constant observations. Now you go to
your MM and give me the answers to a few simple questions. I will give you
some more complicated ones later.
Lisa Barrett

Dave wrote:
for
Dave,

What a nonsense.
Sehgal has not his own repertory, he uses the normal Kent/ Synthetic
Repertory
And are you sure everything in those repertory is based on provings? I know
it isn't, it also has many experience symptoms found by our masters of
homeopathy.
Of course the method of Sehgal is Homoeopathy,
When you master this method well, you're able to find the simillimum for the
patient.
What is the category name of a healing method which prescribes the
simillimum?
In aph 213 Hahnemann states:

We shall, therefore, never be able to cure conformably to nature - that is
to say, homoeopathically - if we do not, in every case of disease, even in
such as are acute, observe, along with the other symptoms, those relating to
the changes in the state of the mind and disposition, and if we do not
select, for the patient's relief, from among the medicines a disease-force
which, in addition to the similarity of its other symptoms to those of the
disease, is also capable of producing a similar state of the disposition and
mind.1

1 Thus aconite will seldom or never effect a rapid or permanent cure in a
patient of a quiet, calm, equable disposition; and just as little will nux
vomica be serviceable where the disposition is mild and phlegmatic,
pulsatilla where it is happy, gay and obstinate, or ignatia where it is
imperturbable and disposed neither to be frightened nor vexed.

So someone who does'nt understand Sehgal's method or even rejects it, has
lost 'lost basic roots in Homeopathy', Although I would not use such
language myself .
You

You demonstrate her again, that you don't understand a thing of what
prescribing on the 'present state (mind and disposition)' is about. You have
to go to the heart of the matter, just being curious is not a reason to
select a rubric.
It has to be a facet of the basic feeling of the patient in connection with
his suffering.
It has to do with also prescribing on the cause of disease, the
constitutional base of disease, as also outlined by Hahnemann in Aph 5. (and
this will not always be someone's 'constitutional remedy').
This method is even not in contradiction with Hahnemann's miasmatic approach
of disease. But to understand this you have to understand both ofcourse.
So when you don't understand something, don't blame others but you're self,
you look very foolish in the eyes of the one's that fully understand those
techiques.
You're attitude looks like an opponent of homoeopathy who ridicules the
effects of tiny doses without 'scientific prove' . As homoeopaths we know
how foolisch their maybe sophisticated argumentation is, because we know by
experience how usefull our method is, (when applied correct).
My advice to you: Don't make yourself rediculous anymore by making
statements like this about things you really know nothing about.
When you want to learn and have an open mind, this will help you and others
and will lead to better understanding.

Kind regards, Piet