Neat, Grace!!
Can you say any more about how one might choose this remedy for an
"indicated remedy fails" situation, rather than one of the others--any
specific features that might suggest it? Anywhere I can read more, and
who carries it?
The child you referred to--what remedies had previously been tried, how
old was he, and did he have any obvious connection with or reaction to
phones, towers, or etc.?
Thank you!
Shannon
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Hi Shannon (my replies to your comments in ******s, if you get my meaning)
But she did say--
Helen wrote: We tried this for a month, but because of the
aggravations, there was no net improvement. When we moved to Peru, the
same remedy **(I brought the same exact bottle)** caused only
improvement without the aggravation.
*** right, so it is people rather than the remedies themselves*******
?? Are you saying these people are responding *better* to homeopathy
than the rest of us, or ??
*** I am talking about the early experiences in central europe as reported and interpreted ( I think!) by Peter Chappell, but also about comments that have been made on this site over the years that patients in developing countries respond better. i don't know much about Nuala's cases but imagine the same might be true there.****
The people said to be easier to treat were not the ones who'd have been
living in London smog or eating much strawberry jam or using a lot of
wallpaper... At least not from my (vague) understanding. Maybe I'm
being naive (again).
But Hahnemann apparently found his Paris
clientele less straightforward than his earlier, rural patients.
****the early British homeopaths were mostly or all working in London and smog was no respector of income! . Paris must have been similar - don't know about where the Americans were working.
Don't know either that H's rural patients were less affluent than the Paris ones or less likely to have been doctoring their jam and wall paper. Maybe less syphilis, I suppose. Perhaps Luise can help here as I am just speculating based on some knowledge of economic history and the UK background but less of H and the German set up.
However, rural does not = less affluent. War affects everyone. Less air pollution in the country though. ********
**********They tackled everything, these chaps, and had impressive results. You are right, though that we may not know all about their failures and some (eg Gallavardin) seem somewhat suspect in their claims. Likewise claims of miracles in overseas clinics that cannot be replicated here perhaps should be looked at closely.**********
Also in these polluted, complicated times and places today, some
homeopaths are evidently having better success rates than others, which
surely supports the idea that skill is a factor!
****Absolutely.*****
Shannon
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But she did say--
Helen wrote: We tried this for a month, but because of the
aggravations, there was no net improvement. When we moved to Peru, the
same remedy **(I brought the same exact bottle)** caused only
improvement without the aggravation.
*** right, so it is people rather than the remedies themselves*******
?? Are you saying these people are responding *better* to homeopathy
than the rest of us, or ??
*** I am talking about the early experiences in central europe as reported and interpreted ( I think!) by Peter Chappell, but also about comments that have been made on this site over the years that patients in developing countries respond better. i don't know much about Nuala's cases but imagine the same might be true there.****
The people said to be easier to treat were not the ones who'd have been
living in London smog or eating much strawberry jam or using a lot of
wallpaper... At least not from my (vague) understanding. Maybe I'm
being naive (again).
But Hahnemann apparently found his Paris clientele less straightforward than his earlier, rural patients.
****the early British homeopaths were mostly or all working in London and smog was no respector of income! . Paris must have been similar - don't know about where the Americans were working.
Don't know either that H's rural patients were less affluent than the Paris ones or less likely to have been doctoring their jam and wall paper. Maybe less syphilis, I suppose. Perhaps Luise can help here as I am just speculating based on some knowledge of economic history and the UK background but less of H and the German set up.
However, rural does not = less affluent. War affects everyone. Less air pollution in the country though. ********
**********They tackled everything, these chaps, and had impressive results. You are right, though that we may not know all about their failures and some (eg Gallavardin) seem somewhat suspect in their claims. Likewise claims of miracles in overseas clinics that cannot be replicated here perhaps should be looked at closely.**********
Also in these polluted, complicated times and places today, some
homeopaths are evidently having better success rates than others, which
surely supports the idea that skill is a factor!
****Absolutely.*****
Shannon
BW
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Hi Teresa,
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Luise:
I should say: To a degree, yes, I should think. In Koethen the wealthy
patients relatively often seem to have sent some of their servants to
H. - which I have not noticed in the Paris casebooks (but I may be
wrong)
Th:
Luise:
I think you are right. Also probably a lot less gonorrhea (in the CD
H. mentions that sycosis was the least common miasm at that time). I
do have the impression from reading literature of that time that in
Paris among people that made up most of H's patients both Syphilis
and Gonorhea were rampant.
Th.
Luise:
Hahnemann did not publish more than a very few cases - but he let it
be understood one way or other that his results were impressive.
V. B. did publish, and what he did publish was impressive.
We have found out that their actual results were not as impressive as
we thought.
I consider both very honorable people - so I sort of suspect that
this was the way "things were done" at their time.
We have no way of knowing about the other homeopaths - past and
present. Perhaps this always has been the way things were done. White
lies in order to raise the status of homeopathy (and not only of
homeopathy - others have always done the same for their own creed,
profession, politics - what-have-you).
Shannon:
Even there we cannot be sure. What evidence do we have as far as the
rates of cures of individual homeopaths are concerned? Just what they
choose to tell us. I have wondered for a long time why homeopaths do
not offer internships - honi soit qui mal y pense (translated: woe on
him who thinks ill about that:-) )
Regards
Luise
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One thought to all who, free of doubt,
So definitely know what's true:
2 and 2 is 22 -
and 2 times 2 is 2:-)
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Luise:
I should say: To a degree, yes, I should think. In Koethen the wealthy
patients relatively often seem to have sent some of their servants to
H. - which I have not noticed in the Paris casebooks (but I may be
wrong)
Th:
Luise:
I think you are right. Also probably a lot less gonorrhea (in the CD
H. mentions that sycosis was the least common miasm at that time). I
do have the impression from reading literature of that time that in
Paris among people that made up most of H's patients both Syphilis
and Gonorhea were rampant.
Th.
Luise:
Hahnemann did not publish more than a very few cases - but he let it
be understood one way or other that his results were impressive.
V. B. did publish, and what he did publish was impressive.
We have found out that their actual results were not as impressive as
we thought.
I consider both very honorable people - so I sort of suspect that
this was the way "things were done" at their time.
We have no way of knowing about the other homeopaths - past and
present. Perhaps this always has been the way things were done. White
lies in order to raise the status of homeopathy (and not only of
homeopathy - others have always done the same for their own creed,
profession, politics - what-have-you).
Shannon:
Even there we cannot be sure. What evidence do we have as far as the
rates of cures of individual homeopaths are concerned? Just what they
choose to tell us. I have wondered for a long time why homeopaths do
not offer internships - honi soit qui mal y pense (translated: woe on
him who thinks ill about that:-) )
Regards
Luise
--
One thought to all who, free of doubt,
So definitely know what's true:
2 and 2 is 22 -
and 2 times 2 is 2:-)
==========> ICQ yinyang 96391801 <==========
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On Dec 14, 2007, at 5:59 PM, Luise Kunkle wrote:
You mean let a student sit in on their cases and study with them? But
some *do*, and this is a highly recommended step--which, sadly, many of
us never got, because there just aren't that many to go around, in most
parts of the country. But I certainly had the occasional student
sitting in on *my* appointments, while I was a patient in a
homeopathically "busy" part of the country. Well, only a couple, but
still...
You're doubting that some homeopaths get better results than others?
Luise, that's an odd thing to suggest! I'd certainly *hope* that some
do, that the years of training and experience count for *something*!
Or what were you saying??
Shannon
You mean let a student sit in on their cases and study with them? But
some *do*, and this is a highly recommended step--which, sadly, many of
us never got, because there just aren't that many to go around, in most
parts of the country. But I certainly had the occasional student
sitting in on *my* appointments, while I was a patient in a
homeopathically "busy" part of the country. Well, only a couple, but
still...
You're doubting that some homeopaths get better results than others?
Luise, that's an odd thing to suggest! I'd certainly *hope* that some
do, that the years of training and experience count for *something*!
Or what were you saying??
Shannon
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Re: EMR interference with remedies?
I started using the remedy after I attended a seminar with Colin
Griffiths in the in the UK, who uses the remedy regularly. I am
afraid I don't wait to see the specific characteristics of the remedy
come up for me to use it. I use my intuition a lot, and all the cases
where it worked was when the indicated remedies did not do what I had
expected. Most of the cases were kids, subjected to abnormal
radiation from DECT phones for example, and who had chronic
complaints like recurrent colds, recurrent sore throats etc. Sorry if
this is not very helpful. Grace
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, Robert & Shannon Nelson
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Griffiths in the in the UK, who uses the remedy regularly. I am
afraid I don't wait to see the specific characteristics of the remedy
come up for me to use it. I use my intuition a lot, and all the cases
where it worked was when the indicated remedies did not do what I had
expected. Most of the cases were kids, subjected to abnormal
radiation from DECT phones for example, and who had chronic
complaints like recurrent colds, recurrent sore throats etc. Sorry if
this is not very helpful. Grace
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, Robert & Shannon Nelson
wrote:
any
and
how
to
with a
person
which
child
and
input.
what
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house
Peru,
severe
to
swell up
worse
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of
phone
eczema
have
or as
of
and
popular
because
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Hi Shannon,
No, I mean have a fully trained but yet inexperienced homeopath in
their praxis for a number of months ALL THE TIME - seeing all and
everything, not just some selected cases. To make up for what we do
not have that the regulars have - the time in the hospitals as interns
and whatever they are called after they have graduated from med.
school. I should think that very few if any allopaths start private
practice without a long time of observing experienced doctors before.
Well, I was exaggerating to bring home my point - which is: we do not
know to what extent what homeopaths which what kinds of training have
had and have better results than others - all we know is what they
have claimed and claim for themselves.
Regards
Luise
--
One thought to all who, free of doubt,
So definitely know what's true:
2 and 2 is 22 -
and 2 times 2 is 2:-)
==========> ICQ yinyang 96391801 <==========
No, I mean have a fully trained but yet inexperienced homeopath in
their praxis for a number of months ALL THE TIME - seeing all and
everything, not just some selected cases. To make up for what we do
not have that the regulars have - the time in the hospitals as interns
and whatever they are called after they have graduated from med.
school. I should think that very few if any allopaths start private
practice without a long time of observing experienced doctors before.
Well, I was exaggerating to bring home my point - which is: we do not
know to what extent what homeopaths which what kinds of training have
had and have better results than others - all we know is what they
have claimed and claim for themselves.
Regards
Luise
--
One thought to all who, free of doubt,
So definitely know what's true:
2 and 2 is 22 -
and 2 times 2 is 2:-)
==========> ICQ yinyang 96391801 <==========
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Re: EMR interference with remedies?
Okay, thanks.
Not to press you but--can you say, have you noticed any other
effects beyond clearing of colds, or is it only that--and then does the
previously "indicated remedy" become relevant, or are these cases where
that remedy did the job *instead* of the one you thought you were
seeing?
Shannon
Not to press you
but--can you say, have you noticed any other effects beyond clearing of colds, or is it only that--and then does the
previously "indicated remedy" become relevant, or are these cases where
that remedy did the job *instead* of the one you thought you were
seeing?
Shannon
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Didn't know if this would interest any of you with regard to the symptoms of EMR Radiation or not, but thought it interesting.... The Drought aspect.....
why the possible interference of the flows of ions - might be cause for some of the problems with the EMR interfering with Homeopathic Remedies, as our cells are conductive because of water, and when dehydrated, are nonconductive / non polar - electrically, and nutritionally.
Reminds me of a talk from Vitulkas on a case regarding dehydration, and fever which ended up being Phosporous.
Jennifer
Tree Problems at Cell Towers. Revisited.
Posted by: "ANDREW GOLDSWORTHY" andrew.goldsworthy1@btinternet.com andrew449732
Date: Sun Dec 16, 2007 8:04 am ((PST))
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bioelectromagnetics/
Hi Mark,
Thanks for looking. I guess there must be something special about my cell tower. It serves a large residential area of London with GSM and 3G at full permissible power (and probably a bit more that they don't tell us about). It has been there for at least ten years and the trees around it have died or been injured over a period of years but the symptoms resemble those of drought. Indeed, I would have said that it was drought had it not been for their concentration around the cell tower. Maybe it only happens around powerful antennas carrying a lot of traffic. My pet theory is that the radiation interferes with the flows of ions that control the closing of stomata so that they stay open in dry conditions when they should be closed.
On another tack, a man in the Netherlands emailed me the other day about what he called bark bulbs. These are nodules of vascular tissue, maybe a few cm across, growing in the phloem of a wide range of tree species. He reckons that they are now appearing pretty well all over Europe, especially around cell towers. Have you noticed anything like that in the USA?
He also did some very simple experiments on trees using an ordinary digital multimeter, with the test prods inserted into the phloem, one being 60cm above the other. He found DC voltages of the order of 50 to nearly 200 millivolts, but they tended to be considerably higher (e.g. by a factor of two) in trees near cell towers. I haven't tried this myself yet but it's on my do list. I guess professional electrophysiologists might frown on the technique (e.g. due to stray voltages generated by electrode corrosion) but it seems to work (the stray voltages from the two electrodes should cancel) and may be worth a try. If the voltages really are higher, it seems possible that the radiation may be stimulating metabolism, and it is this that is making the bark bulbs grow. It's an intriguing problem and could be fun trying to sort it out.
Best wishes
Andrew
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why the possible interference of the flows of ions - might be cause for some of the problems with the EMR interfering with Homeopathic Remedies, as our cells are conductive because of water, and when dehydrated, are nonconductive / non polar - electrically, and nutritionally.
Reminds me of a talk from Vitulkas on a case regarding dehydration, and fever which ended up being Phosporous.
Jennifer
Tree Problems at Cell Towers. Revisited.
Posted by: "ANDREW GOLDSWORTHY" andrew.goldsworthy1@btinternet.com andrew449732
Date: Sun Dec 16, 2007 8:04 am ((PST))
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bioelectromagnetics/
Hi Mark,
Thanks for looking. I guess there must be something special about my cell tower. It serves a large residential area of London with GSM and 3G at full permissible power (and probably a bit more that they don't tell us about). It has been there for at least ten years and the trees around it have died or been injured over a period of years but the symptoms resemble those of drought. Indeed, I would have said that it was drought had it not been for their concentration around the cell tower. Maybe it only happens around powerful antennas carrying a lot of traffic. My pet theory is that the radiation interferes with the flows of ions that control the closing of stomata so that they stay open in dry conditions when they should be closed.
On another tack, a man in the Netherlands emailed me the other day about what he called bark bulbs. These are nodules of vascular tissue, maybe a few cm across, growing in the phloem of a wide range of tree species. He reckons that they are now appearing pretty well all over Europe, especially around cell towers. Have you noticed anything like that in the USA?
He also did some very simple experiments on trees using an ordinary digital multimeter, with the test prods inserted into the phloem, one being 60cm above the other. He found DC voltages of the order of 50 to nearly 200 millivolts, but they tended to be considerably higher (e.g. by a factor of two) in trees near cell towers. I haven't tried this myself yet but it's on my do list. I guess professional electrophysiologists might frown on the technique (e.g. due to stray voltages generated by electrode corrosion) but it seems to work (the stray voltages from the two electrodes should cancel) and may be worth a try. If the voltages really are higher, it seems possible that the radiation may be stimulating metabolism, and it is this that is making the bark bulbs grow. It's an intriguing problem and could be fun trying to sort it out.
Best wishes
Andrew
=====================================================
Health, Hope, Joy & Healing :
May you Prosper, even as your Soul Prospers 3John 2
Jennifer Ruby
Email advice is not a substitute for medical treatment.
http://www.rubysemporium.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SymphonicHealth
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Therapeutic-Laser_Therapy
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SOTA_LightWorks/
http://www.lazrpulsr.com
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I think it is hard to tease out exactly why people seem to respond better in some places than others. I suspect chemical pollution is a factor, but you're right, some places with better remedy response are more polluted (no emissions standards and old, decrepit vehicles).
As far as vaccines go, I can only say that my son has never been vaccinated or given antibiotics, and he responds better in some places than others. So I think there must be some other factor besides vaccination, though had he been vaccinated, he might respond even more poorly.
For me, EMRs are the primary suspect. Most Americans are simply not aware of how much EMR we live with in North America and Europe. The following is a paraphrased summary from The Body Electric, by Robert Becker, MD, of what EMRs existed back in 1985.
1. Strong magnetic fields from industry to refine ore, process iron, purify sewage, etc.
2. Electric trains turn the power rail into a giant antenna extending ELF (extremely low frequency) waves for 100 miles.
3. EM fields surround every person from appliances and machines, even things that operate on batteries like digital watches and flashlights.
4. Magnetic fields at 100-10,000 hertz from antitheft systems in stores and libraries, and metal detectors.
5. Low frequency radio waves from air and sea navigation
6. 10,000 Radio and TV stations, 7 million other radio transmitters, 35 million CB radios, and countless millions used by the military
7. Low microwave frequences from wireless control such as garage door openers, highway call boxes, weather satellites, and millions of microwave ovens.
8. High microwave frequences from 250,000 microwave phone and TV relay towers, military channels, commercial satellites, walkie-talkies.
9. Industrial use of radio and microwave heating for bonding plywood, making plastics, sterilizing food, etc.
Becker said the "density of radio waves around us is now 100 million or 200 million times the natural level reaching us from the sun."
This doesn't count the millions of cell phones, wi-fi, baby monitors, wireless remotes/computer equipment that surround us that wasn't there in 1985.
Now Tanzania, Kenya, Peru and other similar places would have some of this. But they don't have the bulk of #1 - 9 above. The amount of electricity and EMR we generate is crazy.
Just my opinion,
Helen
I think it is hard to tease out exactly why people seem to respond better in some places than others. I suspect chemical pollution is a factor, but you're right, some places with better remedy response are more polluted (no emissions standards and old, decrepit vehicles).
As far as vaccines go, I can only say that my son has never been vaccinated or given antibiotics, and he responds better in some places than others. So I think there must be some other factor besides vaccination, though had he been vaccinated, he might respond even more poorly.
For me, EMRs are the primary suspect. Most Americans are simply not aware of how much EMR we live with in North America and Europe. The following is a paraphrased summary from The Body Electric, by Robert Becker, MD, of what EMRs existed back in 1985.
1. Strong magnetic fields from industry to refine ore, process iron, purify sewage, etc.
2. Electric trains turn the power rail into a giant antenna extending ELF (extremely low frequency) waves for 100 miles.
3. EM fields surround every person from appliances and machines, even things that operate on batteries like digital watches and flashlights.
4. Magnetic fields at 100-10,000 hertz from antitheft systems in stores and libraries, and metal detectors.
5. Low frequency radio waves from air and sea navigation
6. 10,000 Radio and TV stations, 7 million other radio transmitters, 35 million CB radios, and countless millions used by the military
7. Low microwave frequences from wireless control such as garage door openers, highway call boxes, weather satellites, and millions of microwave ovens.
8. High microwave frequences from 250,000 microwave phone and TV relay towers, military channels, commercial satellites, walkie-talkies.
9. Industrial use of radio and microwave heating for bonding plywood, making plastics, sterilizing food, etc.
Becker said the "density of radio waves around us is now 100 million or 200 million times the natural level reaching us from the sun."
This doesn't count the millions of cell phones, wi-fi, baby monitors, wireless remotes/computer equipment that surround us that wasn't there in 1985.
Now Tanzania, Kenya, Peru and other similar places would have some of this. But they don't have the bulk of #1 - 9 above. The amount of electricity and EMR we generate is crazy.
Just my opinion,
Helen