Nux-v w/o irritability?

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Shannon Nelson
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Re: Nux-v w/o irritability?

Post by Shannon Nelson »

Actually I'm not looking for a "central core *symptom*", but rather to
understand the remedy (and remedies in general) in a broader sort of
functional way. Maybe this is one of the disadvantages of working with
the Complete repertory--if all you're working with is cataloging
symptoms, you (very often, even usually) can come up with some dozen or
so remedies you have to choose among! Usually I don't find this a
problem, because I just selected based on the rest of what I know about
the remedies and the case. Often that works fine. :-) But it's
come up as a definite problem when my understanding of some of the
remedies has been too one-sided. E.g. if the sxs in an acute can be
covered by both calc and bell, but I haven't understood that bell is
*fast*-paced, or that it is an "acute of calc". Etc...

One example was recognizing a case that needed Carcinosin. It had
previously been eliminated (by his "real" homeopath) because the
patient was angry and aggressive (frantic with discomfort, actually)
rather than meek, as was the homeopath's understanding of Carcinosin.
Lots of further reading gave a hugely expanded picture of the remedy,
and Carcinosin worked a miracle. So here one key was to learn that
what "runs" carcinosin is not meekness, but something else, which
includes *both* meekness and a whole bunch of other expressions.

Another example would be someone for whom I did not see nat-m for a
long, long time, because rather than seeming "repressed" or
"suppressed" or even "reserved", she was what I'd call sort of
flamboyantly over-expressive. Later I gave it anyway, with very nice
result--and then later read that this is another way that nat-m can
present, in patients who have "learned to express themselves." So
what's central to nat-m is not "repressed", but a sort of disconnect
("I am an island"?) that can be acted upon in various ways...

Do you see what I'm saying?
I think this is the *sort* of thing that approaches such as "essence"
and etc. are trying to get at; the mistake is when people try to see it
as confined to "a central symptom" or a "one-line description". That
is not what I'm looking for.

Well, I may be on a simple wild goose chase with my "exploring the
familiar" in nux-v! But I am finding it interesting, and appreciating
the broader perspectives!
:-)
Shannon


Carol Orr
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Re: Nux-v w/o irritability?

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I've had abdominal cramps off and on my whole life. Remedies worked for a
while but it would always come back. Then a friend who was psychic told me to
take nux vomica..and she knows nothing about homeopathy. The first time i took
it...about two weeks into it...i started calling people i knew on the phone
and swearing at them...really strong anger for minor things. I don't get
cramps anymore.( But watch out if you make me angry..actually..thats not true
anymore..i just say whats on my mind )..i was a nice person and being angry
didn't fit in with that persona. If someone irritated me..i'd avoid them. so
my youth was filled with non-irritating people. Now when i get irritated i
blow off some steam..in a more gentle way and i find i like the people who
irritate me more than i liked the non-irritating types: for example, i had a
friend who irritated the hell out of me cause she just wouldn't stop talking
sometimes but i had to deal with her now and then. after the nux...one day i
told her to shut up about something..just blurted it out.. "just shut up" and
now she doesn't irritate me anymore...SO...nux might not be experience
themselves as an irritable person..but they might have some really irritating
people in their life or people that seem to be irritating.


muthu kumar
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Re: Nux-v w/o irritability?

Post by muthu kumar »

Interesting - Hahnemann also mentions how after the simillimum someone
could become irritated...from a peaceful person before- so a placid
person becomes more assertive and for others it might even look
aggressive-

I once gave Lachesis to a quiet young man with epilepsy - the
epilepsies stopped but he became a "problem" for the family - he
returned home late, hung out with friends till very late at night -
things he might have done all along if he had not had the fear of
bringing out the fits by excesses- and his current behavior is
different from the family's definition of normalcy; but he is happy
with himself and his freedom to do what he wants to do even if it is a
waste of time by others measures....

In any case - that is how I assess if I have given the right remedy-
the bearing and manner of the person, how the person reacts to
reality, ( the pain is still there but I am not bothered by it, the
pain is still there but I have started doing my exercises despite it
etc. etc.), improved defense mechanisms, better coping skills, less
dependence on the family, on drugs ( including homeopathy), on the
doctor...when the mind starts looking outward at other things than the
grappling with the problem at hand...

When the patient feels less thankful to the doctor and talks to the
doctor not as a patient but as a friend then I know I am in the right
track...
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Teresa Kramer
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Re: Nux-v w/o irritability?

Post by Teresa Kramer »

Sorry if this was mentioned and I missed it, but isn’t there also the “shadow side” of the remedy—i.e., the direct opposite of the keynote symptom can also be true like for instance loving or hating salt and needing Nat. mur., based of course on MUCH more than that one thing, but either extreme is noteworthy. Teresa (Northern VA)
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Interesting - Hahnemann also mentions how after the simillimum someone
could become irritated...from a peaceful person before- so a placid
person becomes more assertive and for others it might even look
aggressive-


Shannon Nelson
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Re: Nux-v w/o irritability?

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Hi Irene,
Well, if that is the case, then it will not work at all on this person!
(I still might try it, tho.) She has zero competitiveness, again from
as way back as she is aware of.

And Competitiveness has some pretty "interesting" counterpoints in:
Ailments from admonition (including "kindly")
Awkwardness from timidity
Benevolence
Delusion, he is a criminal
Delusion, disgraced
Delusion, cannot succeed, does everything wrong
Discomfort, discontented, discouraged, disgust with everything,
doubtful of soul's welfare,
Dreams of misfortune, urgency, visionary,
Eccentricity
Elegance, want of
Fears include: evil, failure, "to lose his religious faith", opinion
of others, daily work (again the combination of striving plus
weakness???)
Horrible stories... affect him profoundly

Now I can envision these existing together with competitiveness, but
find it a... well, at the very least, a much richer and more
"interesting" picture than what I have had of the rx.

Then there are all sorts of what I guess would be "breakdown" sxs, e.g.
difficult concentration "confounding objects and ideas", want of self
confidence, confusion...

I'm interested to see it in "Mind, Delicacy, feeling of" (ign and nux-v
only; (reminiscent of thuja's "fragile" feeling?)

???? Wants to achieve something, but not sure what it is and perhaps
(in some people) lacks something of the necessary sturdiness for the
journey??? (I notice it in "Impressionable, susceptible, in children"
and "sympathetic, compassionate, in children" and (curious) "yielding
disposition, children", and "Weakness, enervation, exhaustion... in
children". How does all of this sensitive, impressionable, yielding,
benevolent, sympathetic stuff fit in with the drive and ambition that
it's so much better known for???

Struggling to achieve something, but maybe trying to figure out what
("things feel wrong"; "delusion, succeeds never"; "despair for the fate
of his soul"...); and sometimes the things they are struggling to
achieve (money, excitement, power, spicy foods :-) ) are in some
cases the very things that are "bad for them", leading them into
further excess, overstimulation, and breakdown. (Obviously some nux-v
people are very successful and reasonably healthy; equally obviously
others are not--or so I would gather...)
trying-to-make-the-pieces-fit-together) pseudo-analysis, then the
(possible, thinking-about-it) core might have to do with *finding their
place* or their "meaning" and how to achieve it, rather than with
competitiveness per se?

Does anyone have "family" information on Nux--anything Sankaran has
said?
From what I am finding tho, he too describes only the irritable,
impatient, ambitious side.
But not necessarily!!!! I know anyone who's prescribed with any
frequency will have had the experience of choosing among at least
several remedies that are all "covered" by the rubrics. Then you have
to decide for which of those there is a match between "the rest of the
remedy" and "the rest of the case". And will no doubt also have had
the experience of giving a remedy that seems "perfect", but had it
fail, then had to find out what it was, tucked away in the case, that
needed something different, and would not be satisfied with an
"almost". I think this situation becomes more frequent when the
patient has been under treatment for some time already, and "all the
easy ones have been given", may have done some good work but not
enough... That's one thing that can be so refreshing about prescribing
for acutes--because much more often "close" will be "good enough"...

Yeah. Sometimes the keynotes (or a wrong or too-narrow understanding
of what's "central") can lead one astray. Been there, way too often!
:-)

Shannon


Shannon Nelson
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Re: Nux-v w/o irritability?

Post by Shannon Nelson »

Carol, what a wonderful story!!!
I think it does very much go to the point of my person's situation.
Great grist for the mill--thanks!!
Shannon


Carol Orr
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Re: Nux-v w/o irritability?

Post by Carol Orr »

I would also like to say that i also never saw myself as competitive..avoided
competition in any way that i could...But put me in a scrabble game or some
card game...and i'll win..and to avoid being seen as competitive ..i'll give
the person i'm playing with all sorts of clues to help them get a good score.
So I understood my competing as competing with myself..to get a better score
than before. But i think that just follows the polarity of a remedy if you
look at the passion behind not wanting to compete. I like to gamble. I compete
with the machine. I go into tilt if someone next to me is playing the same
game as me as that feels like i'm directly competing with them. So i switch to
another game. I think the people we are attracted to should be taken into
consideration. My husband is very very competitive..so competitive that when i
would say i had a headache...he would always have a worse headache and he is
very ambitious..and I'm not...or at least not yet. I've recently started
fixing up things in my home. like sanding a butcher block table..right in the
middle of the living room for god's sake. Sawdust everywhere...but i can't
wait for two strong men to lift it out to garage. I want it done now.
Impatience. So the woman who never competes...does she go out of her way to
not compete..or would it just never occur to her.


Carol Orr
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Re: Nux-v w/o irritability?

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I just can't resist giving this example that happened to me a few days ago. I
was playing keno. I like to play nine numbers at 2.50 a hit. the woman next to
me was playing nine numbers at 2.50 when i sat down. So i played other
combinations of keno. She switched to a different amount of numbers about 10
minutes later. I waited a full hour sitting next to this woman before i dared
to play nine numbers at 2.50. just to avoid looking like i was competing. On
the third hit..i won the jackpot..3,650.00. I actually felt a little
embaressed.


Leilanae
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Re: Nux-v w/o irritability?

Post by Leilanae »

Hi Shannon,

Grandgeorge mentiones Nux V as overworked. "The nux vomica seed contains strychnine. Recent neurophysiological studies show that strychnine is a neurotransmitter which acts in the human brain to excite the pyramidal (corticospinal) system, responsible for ur motor functions (glycine, on the contrary, calms this symptom). This clearly confirms the homeopathic observation that Nux vomica is a person who is overexcited, on edge after excesses of any kind (rich food, drink, intellectual labor...) without an adequate expenditure of physical energy."

Chappell writes "When you find anybody at the top, consider Nux v, as it's the drive and ambition that got them there."

And a quick look at Farrington, he emphasized the striychnine effects on the body.

Does Coulter offer anything more helpful to your search?

Leilanae


Shannon Nelson
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Re: Nux-v w/o irritability?

Post by Shannon Nelson »

Hi Carol,
"...the passion behind not wanting to compete." Do you recall whether
you were "always" like that, and what's behind it? I mean, are you
afraid of hurting someone's feelings, or afraid too much would be
expected of you, or want to "win" without attracting the attention, or
?
Okay, so there's the "drive" (to compete with yourself), but not
externally oriented ambition...?
'

:-) Is that new, since the cramps stopped, then?
My impression has been that it just never occurred to her in the past;
and since the matter was brought to her attention (long ago), she just
isn't interested, doesn't care. I think she'd say she does indeed
"compete with herself", she's ambitious I think in a similar way to
what you're describing, but doesn't seem to have any particular
thoughts about competing or not competing with others. Maybe I should
ask more...


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