Minutus

If FIP is an exception then it goes to prove the rule then....
Any rule has an exception and even Similia similibus curentur has
exceptions....

There are situations where allopathy or surgery alone might be the
answer-

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To Hahnemannian2002
The point is that in Homoeopathy, no two people are the same and no two
cases of disease are the same. [Except of course if we are dealing with an
epidemic where different rules apply See Aph 100-104]

So you cannot 'robot like' keep dosing patients.

And by the time you are to give your second dose, the material has changed!
So you cannot use the same nail with the same force as before. (Hence Hn's
recommendation to change the potency as in LMs or liquid doses by more
succussion.

To Irene
Aph 3 starts:
"If the physician clearly perceives what is to be cured in diseases, that is
to say, in every individual case of disease (knowledge of disease,
indication)"
Therefore if you know your patient's disease and its course and you know
that the VF must move in a certain way in a certain time period and it does
not - then you have to do something about it.

As an example, if you have post partum haemorrhaging, you only have a few
minutes or else the 'mother' will die.
Urgency dictates that if your first dose of for example Phos 200 does not
work in 30 seconds to a minute, you have to give it again and keep thinking
what to do next and keep your wits about you.

It is 'horses for courses' as it were and NEVER routine.

But that is an ACUTE situation and we should all know well that ACUTE
prescribing (based on Pain / Urgency) is completely different to CHRONIC
prescribing.

This is why I have to voice disagreement with the methods of Manchester
College (NWCH) that Rochelle attended. The method of giving three doses in
quick time is in no way justified by Hn's instructions or any of the great
masters. They seem to follow George Vithoulkas closely and I have seen no
justification for it. I would love the opportunity to ask him.
Next time you have a Carc patient, just try them with LM and see how
beautifully it works.

Regards

Soroush

Soroush wrote:-
This is why I have to voice disagreement with the methods of Manchester
College (NWCH) that Rochelle attended. The method of giving three doses in
quick time is in no way justified by Hn's instructions or any of the great
masters. They seem to follow George Vithoulkas closely and I have seen no
justification for it. I would love the opportunity to ask him.>>

Why don't you ask Vithoulkas? He is still alive. Send him an email. There
must be a way of discussing this with him.

Rochelle

Registered Homeopath
EFT(Advanced) Practitioner
www.southporthomeopathy.co.uk

Finrod wrote:

That was indeed my point yes. However your example below is of an acute
situation. What I am saying is that there are these days (there were not
in H's time) some chronic diseases which also need such fast approach,
such as some cases of FIP for example.
FIP is not an acute, it's a chronic condition.
No it's not routine - but the cases I refer to are urgent and often need
dosing to pre-empt symptoms where that is the case.
I respectfully beg to differ. I consider that in both acute and chronic
remedy and dosing selection, one must match the remedy and dosing to
the situation.
FIP is chronic but can progress from diagnosis to death in a day or
two, especially if allopathic intervention has occurred with steroids
and antibiotics.
I've also seen a case of chronic oleander poisoniong where sudden
release of toxin from the tissues (due to fasting a day and thus loss
from fat cells of toxin) causes the heart to malfunction. (The heart
beat sounded normal to the vet but the strength was missing and it was
not really pumping.) There too one has to re-dose small amounts very
swiftly to handle the toxin without aggravation, or lose the case to
heart failure.

So to me, the cases are handled individually whether acute or chronic
and there is no clear dividing line between approaches.

FIP is an odd case. It's a man-induced disease, and did not exist before
vaccines etc. Hahnemann would not have seen such a thing! And we are
lucky so far that humans don't see it!
I dunno. I have done something similar with great success in an
emergency acute case. For example if a cat has urinary blockage, that is
a serious emergency, and I'll dose something like Cantharis 30C (always
aqueous, always succussed between doses) every 5 minutes till the cat
can urinate freely.
Likewise to bring down extremely high fever and avert seizure or brain
damage - I'll use Ferr Phos 30C or 200C as appropriate to provide the
oxygen needed for the body's response to be more efficient - dosing
every 5 mins till I see the START of a response.

If a serious case is very far along without any help, it can be
imperative to "quick-start" the case to get a response before it is too
late - even in a chronic condition. I'd be using low potency remedy well
succussed between doses - but the idea there is to nudge the life force
with low amounts enough to *quickly* see what dose is going to be
successful. A potential for slight aggravation is a small risk compared
to losing the case as the alternative in such cases!
LM is something I have tried in say FIP - with zero success. (I see
aggravations but no help with the illness and it wastes precious time
that is not available.)
I now consider it unwarranted experimentation to use LMs in FIP!
My feeling, based on experience, is that FIP needs "a fast kick in the
pants" without going too deep into the life force, and that C potencies
seem to do that best!

Namaste,
Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

I gather that Ramakrishnan's very aggressive method for cancer is on
similar reasoning--that if you "wait to see", you may be stalling away
the patient's chance for recovery.

Hi Irene,

I cannot see where it would only apply to fast-moving disease, whether
chronic or not.

Take e.g.a case of auto-immune thyreoditis. It may take decades to
show symptoms, and by that time the thyroid gland has been destroyed
to a degree where it is highly unlikely that it can be restored.

There may be *signs* a lot earlier - e.g. a positive lab test for
autoimmune markers. So if a homeopath takes the full case s/he may
come up with a possible remedy.

Giving that remedy just once may not be enough. There are no symptoms
yet to measure success by. It may be a long to very long time until
the autoimmune markers show negative - no-one knows yet how long,
it seems there is not much knowledge in the field (I also have been
doing some research)

Since Hahnemann strongly suggests giving the dilutions repeatedly for
long stretches of time (and does NOT say to check results of the
individual doses first), it seams much more reasonable to give the
remedy in frequent doses for a long time.

IF there is negative reaction, pauses can be made and the doses
adjusted. Positive reactions do not mean to stop - on the contrary.
They show that the remedy is doing some work. Lab tests may still show
the autoimmune markers - so there has not been cure yet. Only after
the lab tests have been negative for a pretty long time should the
remedy be stopped.

I am aware that those lab test are unreliable - so are to a degree
tests of TSH and Tr3, Tr4 - but they are the only thing we have.

Since very often the autoimmune process is not limited to the thyroid
gland (where substitution is not a terrible calamity), but may go on
to destroy the adrenal cortex and the Isles of Langerhans, stopping
the process before the damage is done seems a very worthwhile aim.

These things should be discussed without what we cann in German
"Prinzipienreiterei = riding principles".

I have given the above example because it is a field where lately I
have done research. There are plenty of others, like chronic
hepatitis ...

Regards

Luise
--
One thought to all who, free of doubt,
So definitely know what's true:
2 and 2 is 22 -
and 2 times 2 is 2:-)
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Robot like or otherwise I have had no problem dosing like this. i do not
know if the material has changed before I give the next dose...

You say "horses for courses" and so there may be horses which might need
this course of treatment.

Also in this instance Didi recommended it for a specific disease in a
specific way- experience might have guided that this malarial dosing is
that kind of horse that needs split dosing...

She talks from experience and does not say that this exactly follows
Organon... and I do not have any trouble following something whether or
not Organon accepts it or not....there are certain things that I go to
Organon and sincerely feel that for some things I would rather use
common sense and guiding experience... For me Organon has been a
collection of best practices - follow it where you think it is still the
best practice- and sometimes best practice is not what would work in in
a particular situation -

Luise Kunkle wrote:

Dear Luise,
Yes I agree with all you said - and did not intend to imply that it
"only" is relevant in fast-moving disease.
My first sentence was:
"I consider that in both acute and chronic remedy and dosing selection,
one must match the remedy and dosing to the situation."
Good example and by the way I hope you're wrong about restoring it - my
own is of the "recently discovered mess" variety:-)

Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Hi Irene,
Oh, oh.

If you get cured -- do write it up.

I would give hope to many, I think. I have not as yet found any
records of hypothyroidisms due to autoimmune disease having been cured
- at least not in a sense that it got better as contrasted to it
remained the same/did not progress.

Regards

Luise
--
One thought to all who, free of doubt,
So definitely know what's true:
2 and 2 is 22 -
and 2 times 2 is 2:-)
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