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Gail wrote:

Yes I did. And I got no bounce from it - so Hotmail is "swallowing it"
minus a bounce message. Not good! They are supposed to either deliver it
to you or send a bounce message to me as to why they did not do so.
I moderate a few lists - owner can only check the same bounces as a list
member. (A member can only check their own, and a list owner can check
any member's bounces from THAT list.) Bounce messages might bnot be
available - for example if the bouncing status is invoked by an email
via a different list - then you'd see bouncing status on Minutus but not
necessarily the bounce message - the bounce message itself only goes
to the yahoo list initiating the bounce status.

Soft/Hard/Reactivation Bounce explanation for Yahoo groups emails:

Soft bounce: This means Yahoo sent a message to you and got a
"non-fatal" error message such as "server busy" or "account full" or
some such message that can be expected to come right later. In that
case, they do not deliver the message which "soft bounced" but Yahoo
will continue to try to send future emails to you from any yahoo group.
Hard bounce: This means that Yahoo sent the message to you and got a
"fatal" error message such as "no such account" or "Account closed" or
other message code referring to something they expect will not be fixed
later. In this case they put your Yahoo email account for ALL lists in
bounce status - which means they stop sending ALL list email to you -
and they list the error message only at the first list where it happened
- but they stop sending you emails from ALL lists.
Reactivation: A week or so later after bounce status is invoked (not
sure of this timing currently) Yahoo will automatically try to
reactivate your account at Yahoo by sending a probe. If that probe comes
back with a positive response (showing a working email address again)
they will reinstate your email out of bounce status automatically, and
start sending you emails again. They do this even for hard bounces, as
there are a lot of silly reasons for a hard bounce message. For example
your ISP might have been off line due to a storm or whatever for a few
seconds/hours, and then the message would be "no such account" when
indeed you do have an account.
I agree (and with what your ISP says). So - It will likely be Hotmail -
they are rather notorious for this unfortunately.
Have you considered using email through your ISP instead?

Namaste,
Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Irene,

Thank you for all of this. As ever you display a depth of resource
and resourcefulness,

Gail.

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Hi Shannon,

Thanks for this reply, it didn't arrive privately. The next step from
Hotmail is that they're asking for the addresses of the emails that
don't arrive... aargh!!! How do I know, they don't arrive, so I can't
see them.

And they want the email provider of a friend whose emails only arrive
sporadically to visit the hotmail site to fix the problem.....I think
I'll be changing my email account soon.

Gail.
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LOL, that's cute! Well, at least you have *my* address that does not
arrive, and Irene's.

So the e-mail provider of someone whose mails *never* arrive would not
do them any good? Mine has always been very helpful, and I imagine
they'd be willing to try to help sort it out, if that would be
useful--let me know.
Shannon

Gail wrote:

My pleasure:-)
Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Hi Shannon,

Because I'm replying to you privately through the yahoo list I don't
actually have your email address - and it doesn't show in full on the
message board, or in your profile. If you don't mind putting your
email address on record here that may be helpful for me to pass on.

And Irene, I'm assuming you post from the address that's on your
profile? Is it ok with you for me to pass that onto Hotmail?

Gail.

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Gail wrote:

Yes - It's
furryboots @ icehouse.net
with the spaces removed either side the @ sign.

Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."