do homeopaths generally believe that HERBS are merely FOOD & of limited use?

[Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD]

Herbalists: it depends where they have been trained and by whom. I have seen a trend towards "scientific" herbalism where most of the training is according to phytochemistry (Mills and Bone are the major proponents), with mentions that it often confirms the traditional use; fantastic for my scientific mind but it leaves out experience that cannot be "explained" or "rationally" justified; the training provided by Michel Tierra and Moore is much more oriented towards traditional herbalism with mention of scientific research.......as usual combining both approaches gives you the best result.
The case taking again is dependent on the school and some are very allopathic with disease labels, others are more individualistic.........many herbalists I know in the UK disregard homeopathy totally, but here in NZ there is a convergence that has been happening because of the common political fight for recognition........and because I keep giving talks of each one to the other ones, showing the commonalities, and yes I do take credit for that.........
I am just completing a second round of TCM studies as a refresher and to lead to an OMD........the principles are very different from homeopathy; basically the TCM practitioner aims at resetting the energetic pattern to normal, trusting the vis medicatrix natura to then complete the healing and maintain health,;it is a rebalancing exercise that is very powerful and very profound but not individualized like homeopathy because it relies on regularizing the patterns of energy of the patient, but not the patient himself......I hope I am making myself clear enough.
And Chinese herbalism is very complicated, I must admit I do not use the formulas as taught, but the individual herbs as per specific activity.
I do use a lot of herbal remedies (with a soft spot for Gemmotherapy....) and we had lots of controversy on this and other lists as regarding the purity of homeopathy when using other techniques; let me repeat my approach: I need to provide relief to my patient, that is my commitment, followed by cure, or I need to bring the patient in a state of reactivity that will allow the remedies to work.
Using synergistic techniques and approaches allow for a faster cure and often a softer landing. Certainly in some cases I do not know exactly what cured/ameliorated, but in the majority I do because I know what the action of each component is and I can differentiate the results. For example a patient with adrenal burnout will never react to homeopathy; repair the endocrine system first, the patient will already feel better, the symptoms linked to the adrenal failure will disappear and you will have the real picture in front of you, allowing you to prescribe the proper remedy.
Sounds complicated when compared to the one remedy cure all way of practicing, but in reality it is not, it just needs a little bit more knowledge and your cure rate increases tremendously; that does not mean I do not attempt to have a cure in one remedy when possible, but I am not fixated on it.
Does that answer your questions?
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, MD, PhD, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind".
Go to www.lulu.com/content/1103716 for my new book "The Handbook of Gemmotherapy"

[Shannon Nelson]

Hi Dr. Roz,
Can you explain that? (Weren't you afraid someone would ask? ) )
In what way is the end-product different from what we aim for...?
What method(s) do you use for endocrine repair?
Are you talking specifically of Addison's symptoms, or do you also
include states less severe than that? Could you, without need of
writing us a book describe what you mean by "symptoms linked to
the adrenal failure"?

[Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD]

Arrrgghhh, I knew it would be YOU who would ask.........
1. Best explained with an example: imagine a patient with "depression"; in TCM we would find for example Lung and Heart lack of Qi with maybe a root of Kidney weakness in Yin and Qi.........bear with me if that does not make sense; so we stick a few needles, we give a few foul brews, the energies are now normal, the patient feels better, say the depression has lifted.
But........we have not addressed the root of the depression whatever it might be, and if it is deeply ingrained in the patient's life, like a history of abuse and neglect, it will come back, we do know that. Yet having obtained that situation might allow our patient to face the past, describe what happened, give the sensations and emotions and so we can prescribe the appropriate remedy; we would certainly have been able to get to that situation with simple homeopathic prescription, but sometimes some patients are fixated in the way they want to be treated.........or we cannot see the proper remedy/ies clearly and have no time to waste experimenting.........

Better???
2. Adrenal exhaustion: I am talking about any situation that can arise as a consequence of too much "stress" in the sense of the fight/flight situation; eventually there is a "chronic fatigue" type of situation with indolence, lack of reactivity, etc,.....easy to diagnose through tongue and pulse examination or to suspect just by the history and the symptoms.
I often use a mix of organotherapy, some adrenal herbs, minerals and vitamins, sometimes acupuncture, low potency indicated remedies, etc, it will all be described in my next book, so start pinching pennies for it.........
OK???
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, MD, PhD, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind".
Go to www.lulu.com/content/1103716 for my new book "The Handbook of Gemmotherapy"

[Shannon Nelson]

LOL, I guess I'm predictable that way...
Okay, so probably TCM to begin?
Does that situation figure in with the "when indicated remedies fail to
act" thing? I am specifically indicated in the adrenal thing, because
I seem to run in a really "adrenal" pack; I guess I'm a bit obsessed
about it! With one of my "patients" it's been a huge obstacle (tho
sort of one among many); with another I *wonder* whether that is why I
keep striking out, tho it's also possible that I'm really just that far
away from understanding her case...
That part is similar to what I'll sometimes do with vitamins and/or
herbs and/or foods (and yeah, like I see you said below, in my more
primitive way ) )... I find it remarkable how closely tied the
physical and M/E are. (Why remarkable? In a way it's obvious enough,
but sometimes it seem so unfair, LOL!)
Yep...
OOoh, yeah? Hey, consider them pinched already! How much longer do I
need to keep my grip tho??

Thanks!
Shannon

[Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD]

It does not have to be TCM or anything else first, it has to do with approaching each and every patient with a blank mind and no preconception "I will do this one that way" unless you want to experiment a different approach.
It has to do with understanding what is happening, seeing what is there NOW, what has to be cured now and what could prevent the cure to happen; once you are there, then you can build your approach based on a logic and on reason, not on a fashion.
And it is a Hahnemaniann approach, removing obstacles to cure, you know, all that jazz............
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, MD, PhD, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind".
Go to www.lulu.com/content/1103716 for my new book "The Handbook of Gemmotherapy"

[Luise Kunkle]

H JROZ,
. For example a

I have a specific question to this repairing the endocrine system.

I have heard so many varying opinions on the method to do this.

What do YOU use?

Actually,, I am collecting opinions on this issue, in order to make up
my own mind - so you need not hesitate because of the
"individualization" paradigm.

Regards

Luise

PS I have just found out from what was on your mail that you have
written a "new" book. Have you also written one on the question I
asked above?

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[Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD]

Specifically for adrenals:
- vitamin C to bowel tolerance
- adrenal 4C and pituitary 4c, plus if there is a thyroid involvement thyroid 4c
- herbs, some of them cannot be used depending on the patient's clinical situation: Glycyrrhiza, dioscorea, Astragalus, elutherococcus, Ginseng Panax, Centella, withania, but not all of them, I select according to the patient's situation
- Gemmotherapy: ribes, quercus, pinus, sequoia, once again choosen according to other symptoms and signs and the specific indications of the remedies
- a multimineral supplement or at least K and Mg, as well as a multi B supplement
For practical purposes, often I cannot give everything as there are financial implications, gemmotherapics and herbs are expensive, so I might give less or use potentized forms of the herbs (works as well) or homeobotanical preparation of the herbs (formula N, DNM and/or MRN).
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, MD, PhD, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind".
Go to www.lulu.com/content/1103716 for my new book "The Handbook of Gemmotherapy"

[Luise Kunkle]

Hi JROZ,

Thank you very very much - this is a great help for a case I have been
working on. It might interest you that Sardavaman Oberoi, who answered
some months ago on this specific case, also suggested adrenal,
pituitary and thyroid sarcodes, so did Suriya Osman.

Just one further question below:
What are these formulas? - I am not familiar with them.

Regards

Luise
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One thought to all who, free of doubt,
So definitely know what's true:
2 and 2 is 22 -
and 2 times 2 is 2:-)
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[Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD]

The formulas are from Homeobotanical Medicine, created in NZ by Dr. Brian Murray; it uses the common clinical indications of a series of herbs as found in herbalism and homeopathy and has the remedies mixed in very low potencies, somewhere between 2x and 3c.
Look up www.hbinstitute.org.nz Brian's website seems to be down for now.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, MD, PhD, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind".
Go to www.lulu.com/content/1103716 for my new book "The Handbook of Gemmotherapy"