Hom Vets, Vethoms and FIP - was Hom Vets

[Kerry]

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There are commonalities to every disease and all vets homs should be repertorising and treating individually. Many of these symptoms quoted are common to all immune damaged animals; vet homs in the US are dealing with immune damaged animals every day.
When FELV and FIV first came around the vets answer was to kill them straight away and in fact some vets still have this attitude. When FELV and FIV first came around everything and anything was grouped under the disease label, when again we are dealing with immune compromised animals and there is no reason that these animals can't live for years and years with proper treatment. I have an FELV cat that was diagnosed ten years ago and it is still here and still healthy.
The standard vet does not want to put his hand up and admit that they are basically killing people's animals by promoting lousy dry food, vaccines and suppressive drugs. They want a label and the latest one is FIP.
I am sorry be we aren't comparing the brain dead attitude of standard vets, we are looking at homeopathy treating immune compromised animals! Vet homs don't put a label on a disease and condemn an animal on it, they treat the individual with an appropriate remedy.
So the cases you are treating are not definite FIP but suspected? If it is under diagnosed how do you know that other vet homs aren't treating cases that never progress fully due to them finding the simillimum quickly?
No, there are vet homs out there treating many animals by email and I am surprised that you are not aware of that fact. There are vet homs in the US who are treating animals world wide because people are finding it impossible to find a vet hom who uses Hahnemann's system and not pseudo homeopathy.
You are not the only one with a world wide base of clients! I am sorry Irene but you are not unique.
Immune compromised animals are not rare!! They are the norm in the US and vets homs are dealing with them all the time! They do not treat a disease label, they treat the individual who manifests THEIR disease due to their own stressors, constitution, temperament, etc and each one will manifest them slightly differently.
I don't believe that I am twisting this into something that it isn't but I do believe that you are twisting this issue. You are using immune compromised animals as an excuse to justify giving combos or multiple remedies - whatever you wish to call it - when in fact vet homs are dealing with immune compromised animals all the time, including by email world wide, and are doing so by following Hahnemann's teachings.
Kerry

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[Irene de Villiers]

kerry wrote:

I did not think this was in question?
It's not in my practice.
and the vast majority of people too:-)
Are you suggesting that the mechanism of destruction of the cat in FIP
is somehow similar to that in any other disease? If so which one?

FIp is unique in being a chronic disease that attacks at any age and
which in fact most often kills young kittens.
It is also unique in being able to kill in the shortest time of any
chronic disease.
It is also unique in having an allopathic zero success rate.
It is also unique in having the cats entire body (not just a part of it)
destroyed directly by antibodies against the cat.

So to say that because EVERY illness involves a need to restore the
immune system, therefore each is equally resolved by the same approach,
is incorrect.
One has little time in FIP, and no healthy organs to work with.
This is your statement not mine. I and many others treat several immune
compromise diseases. Every chronic illness involves an immune system
aspect or there would be no chronic illness.


That I work a lot with FIP is a choice. If you call it unique, that's
fine by me. If not, that's also fine by me. My objective has to do with
helping cats live longer healthier lives - and whether that's unique is
of no concern.
As do I )
Except I am not able to do so every day of the week. I take a day off
now and then

I am different only in having some success with FIP, and I work a lot at
it. I devote much of my time to trying to beat this illness. Anyone with
a modicum of training can have reasonable success with other immune
compromise illnesses. It is FIP which is a tricky one for anyone to get
good results. If you could show otherwise I'd be only too happy and I'd
be "all ears"


I work hard at it for the success I get - and I share it here as part of
my constant effort to get more people involved in helping FIP cases, to
share my findings which cover more cases than anyone normally sees, and
to gain any insights I might be offered. (Though so far the "insights"
have been "insults".)

Any success with FIP beats having no success - and no, FIp is not
like any other immune compromise disease. That is exactly why there is
such a poor success rate with it compared to all other immune compromise
illnesses - for any homeopath (or any allopath either).

Have a great day.
Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[Irene de Villiers]

kerry wrote:

We see eye to eye on that. I do not know another way to have success
with homeopathy.
Very few I think. That was the "norm" a long time ago. It is FIp which
currently is a deah sentence, though vets do not always euthanize
directly - they do so indirectly by using steroid.

FIV and FeLV respond well to homeopathy. So does FIP if you catch it
early enough (except there is no early diagnosis) and also if you do not
have steroids in the picture (except steroids are the current allopathic
"standard of care").
My oldest client cat with FIV is over twenty now, and acquired FIV more
years ago than most cats live. FeLV usually resolves well with
homeopathy if it has not developed too advanced a case of lymphosarcoma
as a complication before the start of homeopathy...so it partly depends
on the virus clade, how readily it can be addressed.
One of my clients who started with 2 FeLV cats now runs a rescue
organization - she collects FeLV cats that nobody else wants so as to
help them by homeopathy.
Not sure what you meant by that - allopaths have always called these
illnesses diseaes.
That's good.
I agree they do promote *lousy* dry food - all you need do is read the
ingredients to see that.
The *right* Dry food is the best commercial food option for cats. It's
not the dryness that has given it a bad name - it's the ingredients of
the dry food that make it good or bad. MOST commercial cat food is awful
- and canned is no exception.
However, a dry food with the right ingredients is always better than a
canned food for cats. Canned food all causes gum disease from the gooey
stuff left on the teeth, leading to stomatitis and worse. In addition,
due to gums like carrageenan and guar, canned food prevents absorption
of nutrients by coating the gut lining with grease.
There's more to cat food than whether it is wet or dry:-) There's a
lot of misconception about cat food.
Explain what you mean please.
FIP is an easily diagnosed illness IMO despite the technical difficulty
of a test for it allopathically speaking. There is a lot more to FIP
diagnosis than lab tests.
The FIP disease is relatively new to veterinary medicine because it
could almost not exist before allopathy developed the triggers for it.
This is in contrast to FIV for example. The oldest records of feline
disease where we have blood to test on the planet, show FIV. It has been
around for a very long time.
FeLV also has been around a long time - and till Neils Pedersen's work
to separate the two in the early 90s, FIV and FeLV were confused as a
single illness. FIP is also separate - and like it or not, knowing the
differences is useful in repertorizing:-)
We are looking at DIFFERENT immune compromise illnesses. You can't lump
them together and say they are equivalent in difficulty of handling:-)
FIV and FeLV are as one broken bone to FIP's ALL bones broken.
It goes without saying, but it does not make different illnesses equally
simple to handle in practice. the approach is the same - but in FIp the
same approach gets a lot less success and one has to add to it.
They are definite FIP.
But if they were "suspected FIP" they would be handled the same and if
they were something else they would be handled the same.
Homeopathy is an approach not based on diagnosis:-)
It is under diagnosed in that cats die first before it is diagnosed.
Then the diagnosis comes with necropsy.
I get a lot of that, as people write and say - How do I save my other
cats who were exposed to the one who died, shall I vaccinate for FIP?

how do you know that other vet homs aren't treating

What I do know is that cats are dying like flies from this disease and
NO vethom has said they work with it, and NO vethom has agreed to help
me with it. As I have said before - I wish.
So if there are all these (imaginary) vethoms working away at FIP cases
not yet diagnosed, how sad is it that there are so many diagnosed ones
getting no help?
Some of them are my students:-))
However they are not handling FIP.
BIH is the bioggest school in USa teaching vethom, where I am a tutor.
The enrollment (not the graduates yet!) a year or so ago was 149
students. So qualified vethoms are thin on the ground, not ubiquitous as
your words might imply - and a small minority work by email.
Well we are all unique but it is you not I who is hung up on whether
something or someone is unique. I am hung up on helping cats with FIP:-))
Not the same thing at all!!!
And you have offered not one of these ubiquitous world email-helping
vethoms working with FIP cats as evidence towards your claimed point.

Please provide names. I have more cases than I can handle and would be
happy to refer some to someone else getting success.
No. I do not need excuses for anything, nor do I use combos or multiple
remedies. I documented what I do, so please have the courtesy to read
that and not reinterpret it into something else.
Apparently I am a lone worker with FIP in particular; I seem to get
success that others do not with FIP - and I seek more of it and more
people to help the cats with FIP. No excuses are needed for that.

Namaste,
IRene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[Kerry]

It is still the norm now unfortunately.

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This isn't the place to debate the wrongs and rights of dry food but I
would strongly dispute the fact that any dry food is good for a cat and
it is tragic that such junk is promoted.
difficulty

You make such contradictory statements that it is easily diagnosed and
that it isn't easily diagnosed.
You keep assuming that no vet homs are as capable as you seem to think
that you are. I don't understand how you can make this assumption when
you haven't even done proper research.

equally
the

For you it has had a lot less success but as you don't know what other
vet homs are doing or have done you can't speak for them.
You said that you only use the constitutional approach as well as the
illness remedy in FIP cases now you are saying that you use this
approach for all illnesses.
Until you have written to every vet hom in the country you cannot say
whether they are working with. Not all vet homs spend there time on
these lists so the lack of an answer is no representation of what vet
homs are doing.
as

The BIH is not the only place that a vet hom can study. Have you ever
heard of master homeopaths like David Little and Dr Luc? Well
fortunately for animals there are some out there that have studied under
master homeopaths like these. The world does not start and end with the
BIH.
I don't need to offer them Irene. You are the one who is repeatedly
putting all other vet homs down by saying that they aren't capable of
treating the disease.
I am sorry Irene but I don't have the time to do your research for you.
You need to approach organisations that list vet homs, search google and
other engines for websites of vet homs, look in telephone directories
for details, etc, etc, etc. Before you condemn them all as being
incapable of doing something, you could at least have the courtesy to
ask them what they are capable of.
multiple

Yes Irene you did document what you do, you documented that you give two
different remedies a day, you documented that you will even be happy for
them to be given in the same meal.

get

You have no idea whether you are a lone worker as you have not
approached all the vet homs to find out what others are doing and you
have no idea whether you get success that others do not because you
haven't asked them all. At least have the courtesy to write to all the
vet homs and find out, BEFORE you put yourself up on a pedestal.

Kerry

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[Kerry]

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No two allopathic labelled diseases react in the same way nor even the same disease within each individual.
Many chronic disease can attack at any age; it depends on the individual concerned. Chronic disease doesn't only hit the old.
No they are not resolved by the same approach, the approach is individualised to each animal.
You say that your speciality is FIP and yet you are turning away FIP cases to treat other diseases. I am surprised that you turn the FIP cases away when you say that you are the only one who is able to treat them, especially as you feel that others can manage the average badly damaged immune system of an animal.
You have repeatedly said that no other vets are treating this disease successfully and yet you are not even aware of all the vet homs out there. A more honest appraisal would be that you don't know what vet homs are doing because you haven't written to each one of them. I doubt you would be happy to accept scientific research that was based on a request on an email list that went unanswered. The only way that you will have a realistic view of what is being achieved by vet homs, and even homs as some of those also treat animals, is to write to each one within the US and ask them how many cases they treat, what approach they use and how successful they are. Some might only treat four cases a year but do so with success using Hahnemann's approach, whereas someone else might treat many, but have to turn to alternatives because they aren't successful, so the figures alone are not an accurate representation.
You are so good Irene at condemning the ability of the other vet homs without even having an accurate idea of what they are treating and are capable of doing, in fact without even knowing many of them.
Perhaps the response has been due to your attitude of insisting that your polypharmacy method is following Hahnemann's teaching and of insisting that you have found an advancement on Hahnemann's system when in fact duel remedies were something that Hahnemann tried and gave up due to there failures and warned against.
Irene you have no idea what the success rate is for other homeopaths because you haven't written to them all and received responses detailing how many cases they treat and how successful they are with those cases.
Kerry

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[Kathy]

Kerry are you a vet hom? Kathy

Kathleen Ramsey M.C.S. D.D.
Naturopath, Flower Essence Practitioner, Master Herbalist

[Irene de Villiers]

kerry wrote:

Whatever you wish to believe Kerry - on this and on dry food with the
RIGHT ingredients.

[Irene]

[Kerry]

Not true. It is easily diagnosed but not by a "corona" or "FIP" blood
test. There is a specific combination of factors always present.
The problem is that most vets want a "FIP Test" to give a yes/no answer
instead of doing the work of a formal diagnosis themselves, and there is
no good "FIP test" - but there ARE good diagnostic techniques and blood
work.
No that is YOUR assumption. I keep asking more vethoms to join me in
working with FIP. I obviously would not do so if I thought them
incompetent to do so.
As I said - it is you who assumes no other vethoms are capable - it is I
who has said I have yet to find a willing one to work on FIP - and you
also have yet to find one - er "them". Try not to twist my words please.
I do not speak for anyone but myself. It is you who is speaking for all
the (nonexistent?) vethoms supposedly working on FIP:-))

[Irene]

[Kerry]
You said that you only use the constitutional approach as well as the
illness remedy in FIP cases

So far yes, but I would use it elsewhere if I thought it was indicated.
No. I said that I use *homeopathy* for all illnesses. Read it above
again - there is no mention of constitutional remedy there.
I have many cases other than FIP cases.
I hold by this statement, and am making it in a very public place for
homeopaths to see it and pass it on - and have made it in other public
places such as the homeoapthy forums of BIH.
More than that is not my job to do - and this much is not either.
I do it in hopes that more cats will be helped; that's my only objective.

I do not really care whether that meets with your approval or not. It's
as much as I choose to do between cases. Not ONE response has occurred
to date.
Oh no - open mouth and remove foot please. This is YOUR contention. IT
was never mine. Mine is above for all to see for the umpteenth time. I
invite others and none have responded. There is no judgement made other
than that not one responded.
And that's a fact rather than a judgement.
All done, no takers.
Again - this is YOUR contention. NOT mine.
I did not.
I documented that I give remedies according to proper selection criteria
and proper dosing criteria - which is NOT the same thing at all as willy
nilly dosing twice a day as you say here.
Not true at all.
Read it again Kerry - it says "apparently".
And for reasons listed.

Namaste,
IRene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[Irene de Villiers]

kerry wrote:

Sigh! There are no polypharmacy methods. You write the word purely to
try to irritate.
I'm not doing what Hahnemann tried. It's different - and what I do, DOES
work and I advocate it due to its *success*.
I write about it here to "warn of its success."

If you prefer not to learn from it - that's also fine by me.

NAmaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."