breach babies

[suriya56]

Dear Shannon

Yes indeed they did. I did not prescribe Pulsatilla empirically but
based on Similimum.
It did not include the constitutional picture , only the symptom picture

regards

Suriya
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[Peter Boehm]

Hi Shannon!
sorry I dont recall whether the midwifes gave it according the symptoms or just because of the position.
I would like to see some symptoms of puls or tub to give any of them.
Peter

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[Robyn]

Maybe its the baby that needs the remedy rather than the mother
For breech presentation: posterior face presentation, Banerji suggests Lycopodium 30C twice a week for the week prior to delivery. Begin at 34-36 weeks or when the presentation becomes fixed. He mentions the baby turning somersaults.
Robyn

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[Fran Sheffield]

I was a midwife prior to becoming a homeopath and I regularly prescribe Pulsatilla for malpresentations, especially breech. Puls is a remedy of poor tone and loose tissues and fibres - probably the reason why the foetuses of women needing it in pregancy end up every which way but head down. Head down is the most comfortable position for a baby, space wise, near term but if everything is loose it lies comfortably in any position. Of course, this is in the absence of other problems such as fibroids or placenta praevia that may be taking up room in the lower pole of the uterus and stopping the head from entering the pelvis.
Just over a week ago I prescribed Puls as a favour for a friend of a patient's without seeing her. Her baby was in a breech presentation - her obstetrician was wanting to turn the baby manually in a couple of days time. We started with a 30c - lots of movement from the baby but no change. After 4 doses went to 200C - again, lots of movement. On seeing the obstetrician, the baby was in an oblique lie (almost fully turned) and the obstetrician had to just "flip" it the final bit. But, within 2 days, the baby had turned and was breech again.
At this time I did not want to give any more Puls without seeing her so she was talked into coming in for an appointment. After the 200c not holding I was really wanting to give Med - open weeping during the consult, preferring to lie on abdo when not pregnant - but because there was also indigestion and nausea from ice-cream and fatty foods I stuck with the Puls and went to an M potency. This was confirmed further towards the end of the consult when she told me about her father having arrived to live with her in the latter part of her pregnancy and the emotional upheaval it was causing. His presence and erratic behaviour were dragging up old stuff of abandonment - he had left her and her mother and brother when they were young, only to wald in and out of their lives several times since then. This time she had hoped it would be different but was finding her hopes were being dashed again. I think the experience with her father was producing such a strong Pulsatilla state that a higher potency was needed to maintain change. I only saw her 2 days ago so do not yet know the outcome but fully expect it to be postive.
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Best regards,

Fran mailto:FranSheffield@homeopathyplus.com.au

[Luise Kunkle]

Hi Shannon,
Is there any person who does not have at least some symptoms of any of
the "big" remedies?

Regards

Luise
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[Shannon Nelson]

Thanks Fran--seems like Puls is a winner for the situation!
But I am (still) curious: Do/did you see other remedies sometimes
needed to turn a breech *instead* of Puls--did you on occasion see it
fail, or is it pretty much of a "specific" for the situation?
Thanks,
Shannon

[Shannon Nelson]

Good point Luise, and I guess I didn't phrase that well.
What I did mean to ask, was whether Puls is being seen to be successful
for that task even in women for whom one would be *disinclined* to
offer pulsatilla, in absence of that specific situation.
Shannon

[John Harvey]

I prescribed Coffea for a posterior presentation on the basis of the
mother's symptoms. The baby turned around within half an hour and
delivered shortly afterward. Puls was clearly not indicated and would
have done nothing, as the symptoms of the mother's state -- no matter
that they may have included some in common with Puls -- were the
symptoms of a remedy very different from Puls.

Cheers --

John
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[Gail]

Thanks everyone for all the input on this subject. If I hear back
from the mum about what happened I'll let you know.

She was pretty definitely not Pulsatilla constitutionally, and not in
a Pulsatilla state emotionally - but on the other hand, Pulsatilla is
a good organ remedy for the uterus and I don't know the state of the
uterus. Someone offered that Pulsatilla is often inidicated for the
poor uterine tone that means the baby has room to lie breach. Mum
said this baby was very small, so it could be that the size of the
baby is more relevant than the tone of the uterus in this case.

It's still driving me crazy that I can't find the original story that
I read that talked about it. I was so sure it was in Kent, but maybe
it's under a different remedy in the way he sometimes sidetracks into
comparisons.

Gail.
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would
matter
suggests
at 34-36
baby turning
the reverse."