Minutus

Hi Ardavan,
This was not the problem - I think I understand quite well the basics
of your approach.

The problem has been that I did not then and do not now see
"tuberculinum"in the symptoms you have listed. Not from what I know
about the MM of tub, not from my knowledge of the acute stages of the
disease (it used to be quite common when I was a child etc.) not after
re-reading the MM in the MM's, not after repertorizing. "Rolling" the
head would have made me think of it (3rd grade) but I would not have
found it confirmed any other way any more than at least some of the
other remedies in that rubric.

So I was wondering whether there had been something else than what I
have used to lead you to a relative certainty that tub. was indicated.

Regards

Luise
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So definitely know what's true:
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Dear Luise,
Considering the rubrics related to rolling of head, self-striking, chill in begining of sleep and perspiration during sleep leads to Tuberculinum. I use Radar 9. What is usually mentioned about Tub in Materia Medicas is not its acute-like condition. If you consider Tub-like delirium, you will see that it fits the condition.
Regards,
Ardavan

Luise Kunkle wrote:
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Hi Ardavan,
I wonder about that. AFAIK there is only a very small proving of Tub.
by Burnett - I have always thought that the sx of the MMs of Tub. are
from the manifestations of the illness.

If you consider
The key to the problem is probably your Radar against my Kent.

But could be my repertorisation in Kent was imperfect. Perhaps someone
using Kent could point me to the relevant rubrics?

Regards

Luise
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One thought to all who, free of doubt,
So definitely know what's true:
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Dear Luise,

The result of following rubrics in Radar9.0 with Full synthesis, rmd copied
view is TUB.
HEAD - MOTIONS of head - rolling head
CHILL - SLEEP - beginning to
MIND - STRIKING - himself
PERSPIRATION - SLEEP - during

Rgds,
Nader

Hi Nader,

thank you - I do not have Radar.

It is not in Kent:
This is, as I said.

rolling head : Agar., apis., arn., ars., Bell., bry., caust., cic.,
cina., clem., colch., cor-r., crot-t., cupr., dig., hell., hyos.,
kali-br., kali-i., lyc., med., merc., naja., nux-m., oena., op.,
ph-ac., phos., podo., pyrog., sec., sil., spong., stram., sulph.,
tarent., Tub., verat-v., verat., zinc.
Kent has no rubric for it

Sleep during: tub not present

SLEEP, during : Aeth., am-c., ars., bell., Bor., bov., bry., cadm.,
calc., carb-an., carb-s., carb-v., caust., cham., chin., grat., hep.,
hyos., ign., indg., lyc., mur-ac., nat-m., op., ph-ac., phos., puls.,
sabad., samb., sep., sulph., zinc.
In Kent tub not present

himself : Ars., bell., camph., cur., tarent., verat-v.

Mind striking - also tub not present

Arg-m., Bell., bov., camph., canth., carb-v., cub., cupr., der.,
elaps., glon., hell., hydr., Hyos., ign., kali-c., lil-t., lyc.,
lyss., mosch., nat-c., nux-v., phos., plat., plb., staph., stram.,
stront., stry., tarent., verat.
In Kent tub not present

perspiration profuse sleep during (which was how the symptom read) tub
not present

sleep, during : Camph., carb-an., chin-s., chin., nat-c., op., phos.,
podo., thuj.

Perspiration sleep during:

during : Agar., anac., ant-c., ant-t., ars., bar-c., Bell., bor.,
bry., bufo., calc., camph., carb-an., carb-s., carb-v., caust., Cham.,
Chel., chin-a., chin-s., Chin., cic., cina., clem., Con., cycl., dig.,
dros., dulc., eup-per., euphr., ferr-ar., ferr-p., ferr., hep., Hyos.,
ign., kali-ar., kali-c., kali-p., lac-c., lachn., lyc., merc., Mez.,
mur-ac., nat-c., nat-m., nit-ac., nux-v., op., ph-ac., phos., Plat.,
podo., psor., Puls., Rhus-t., sabad., Sel., sep., Sil., stram.,
sulph., tarax., Thuj., tub., verat., zinc.

One-graded, where many other remedies are 2nd and 3rd degree

The big winner according to standard repertorizing and Kent would have
been Bell.

So the question is - many have asked it: which is more to be trusted,
Kent or Radar?

This is a case in point.

Regards

Luise
--
One thought to all who, free of doubt,
So definitely know what's true:
2 and 2 is 22 -
and 2 times 2 is 2:-)
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Dear Luise,
I do not know details of the case and Ardavan must give more info but:
CHILL - SLEEP - beginning to tub.c1,jl
is from Clark and Julian Andre therefore it is reliable rubric.
MIND - STRIKING - himself - knocking his head against wall and things

BELL and TUB both are 3rd degree.
Considering other rubrics of Primary Altered state of the patient which is in my opinion is very important both Bell and Tub are in high rank and as I said before we do not know details of the case, may be if we saw the live case we would had selected Tub too.
I hope Ardavan give more info on this case.
Rgds,
Nader

Thank you Nader - you really are a kind person.

I suppose if I were still working in practice I should get Radar or
one of those softwares. I do agree that the sources are reliable (as
reliable as any:-) ) and not having them in Kent is a draw-back.

Regards

Luise
--
One thought to all who, free of doubt,
So definitely know what's true:
2 and 2 is 22 -
and 2 times 2 is 2:-)
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You are welcome!