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An older cat (14) is coming tomorrow, a neutered Manx, who suffered from pruritus earlier this year, with heavy-duty scratching about her neck and back that produced scabs. She seems to have a history of vomiting overnight and right after eating about once a week. Also a history of erratic appetite, decreased of late; often she won't eat unless hand-fed.
Earlier this month they discovered a multi-lobular solid adenocarcinoma of the right caudal mammary chain, with angiolymphatic invasion. The tumor grew with incredible rapidity. Creatinine is elevated (2.8 mg/dl); neutrophils high, lymphocytes down (14%). Vet says the cancer is very aggressive and that her survival is likely to be a matter of weeks or months rather than years.
This poor cat has spent a lot of time at the vet's, been on a lot of different meds. (Famotidine, prednisolone, prednisone, metacam, etc.) I've told the owner I'm willing to treat, but she'll have to wean her off prednisone.
One question I have is whether any of the usual breast cancer remedies are especially well-suited to an extremely aggressive cancer. Another would be what would the optimal diet be, given that her kidneys are in trouble. Usually I tell clients to experiment with Pitcairn's diets or a raw diet, but I'm not sure what would be best in this kitty's situation. Any ideas?
Peace,
Dale

An older cat (14) is coming tomorrow, a neutered Manx, who suffered from pruritus earlier this year, with heavy-duty scratching about her neck and back that produced scabs. She seems to have a history of vomiting overnight and right after eating about once a week. Also a history of erratic appetite, decreased of late; often she won't eat unless hand-fed.
Earlier this month they discovered a multi-lobular solid adenocarcinoma of the right caudal mammary chain, with angiolymphatic invasion. The tumor grew with incredible rapidity. Creatinine is elevated (2.8 mg/dl); neutrophils high, lymphocytes down (14%). Vet says the cancer is very aggressive and that her survival is likely to be a matter of weeks or months rather than years.
This poor cat has spent a lot of time at the vet's, been on a lot of different meds. (Famotidine, prednisolone, prednisone, metacam, etc.) I've told the owner I'm willing to treat, but she'll have to wean her off prednisone.
One question I have is whether any of the usual breast cancer remedies are especially well-suited to an extremely aggressive cancer. Another would be what would the optimal diet be, given that her kidneys are in trouble. Usually I tell clients to experiment with Pitcairn's diets or a raw diet, but I'm not sure what would be best in this kitty's situation. Any ideas?
Peace,
Dale

An older cat (14) is coming tomorrow, a neutered Manx, who suffered from pruritus earlier this year, with heavy-duty scratching about her neck and back that produced scabs. She seems to have a history of vomiting overnight and right after eating about once a week. Also a history of erratic appetite, decreased of late; often she won't eat unless hand-fed.
Earlier this month they discovered a multi-lobular solid adenocarcinoma of the right caudal mammary chain, with angiolymphatic invasion. The tumor grew with incredible rapidity. Creatinine is elevated (2.8 mg/dl); neutrophils high, lymphocytes down (14%). Vet says the cancer is very aggressive and that her survival is likely to be a matter of weeks or months rather than years.
This poor cat has spent a lot of time at the vet's, been on a lot of different meds. (Famotidine, prednisolone, prednisone, metacam, etc.) I've told the owner I'm willing to treat, but she'll have to wean her off prednisone.
One question I have is whether any of the usual breast cancer remedies are especially well-suited to an extremely aggressive cancer. Another would be what would the optimal diet be, given that her kidneys are in trouble. Usually I tell clients to experiment with Pitcairn's diets or a raw diet, but I'm not sure what would be best in this kitty's situation. Any ideas?
Peace,
Dale

An older cat (14) is coming tomorrow, a neutered Manx, who suffered from pruritus earlier this year, with heavy-duty scratching about her neck and back that produced scabs. She seems to have a history of vomiting overnight and right after eating about once a week. Also a history of erratic appetite, decreased of late; often she won't eat unless hand-fed.
Earlier this month they discovered a multi-lobular solid adenocarcinoma of the right caudal mammary chain, with angiolymphatic invasion. The tumor grew with incredible rapidity. Creatinine is elevated (2.8 mg/dl); neutrophils high, lymphocytes down (14%). Vet says the cancer is very aggressive and that her survival is likely to be a matter of weeks or months rather than years.
This poor cat has spent a lot of time at the vet's, been on a lot of different meds. (Famotidine, prednisolone, prednisone, metacam, etc.) I've told the owner I'm willing to treat, but she'll have to wean her off prednisone.
One question I have is whether any of the usual breast cancer remedies are especially well-suited to an extremely aggressive cancer. Another would be what would the optimal diet be, given that her kidneys are in trouble. Usually I tell clients to experiment with Pitcairn's diets or a raw diet, but I'm not sure what would be best in this kitty's situation. Any ideas?
Peace,
Dale

Dale Moss wrote:
different meds. (Famotidine, prednisolone, prednisone, metacam, etc.) >

YIKES!!!!



Not easy to do with cats - or rather it is not easy to restore immune
system activity after catabolic steroids in cats - that is more what I
mean. I have a great problem with the use of that suppressive steroid
approach, and hope you have success with the case.

Some ideas:
Pred 30C to try to counter the pred;
Thymus 4C (if you can find it) as pred destroys thymus and lowers TH-1
cytokine expression to practically zilch;
I'd forget weaning if the cat's life force is up to it and just support
the adrenals and quit the pred this way:
Support with Vit C, pantothenic acid and Vit B6 to stimulate adrenals
and support them. All high dose mixed into food, and spread through the
day - add a dash of dextrose to counter taste if necessary.
Moducare 1/2 cap a day in food to also help restore immune system function.

I'd add turmeric to the food as cancer has a hard time growing in its
presence. The risk here is that turmeric has NOT been researched
specifically in cats - but in this state, I would be willing to try it,
perhaps 1/8 teasp twice a day or some such.

Cats are prone to these aggressive cancers. I'd suggest you be
relatively aggressive with simillimum - by which I mean use aqueous but
increase the dose frequency and potency as much as you can within
keeping it optimal and not overwhelming the cat with stimulus.

remedies are especially well-suited to an extremely aggressive cancer. >>

I had one aggressive mammary cancer case that responded very well to
Phytolacca. I used topical phyt cream bid as well as Phyt 200C by mouth.
But I have had few cases in general with cancer so far, and can not
generalise.

>

That's easier to answer.
Research (and experience) shows that it is a mistake to lower protein
intake with compromised kidneys. Cats need high amounts of protein AND
high quality of protein - often in the day.
Add in Vit E and fish oil to support kidney function, so as to
dilate vessels and lower intraglomerular pressure. I use at last 1000 mg
Fish oil/day and 100 IU of Vit E for a cat - and start adding it
gradually so the cat gets used to the taste in the food. Helps to start
with fishy food, unless the cat is anti-fish.
The old research suggesting lowered protein is wrong - it was using
soy protein and false conclusions were made, as basically more soy =
more damage. Do not use a food with any soy or by-products of course.
also forget canned cat food - the carrageenan blocks nutrient absorption....

With 56% protein tested against the previously recommended low protein
in research - using appropriate protein from prey size animals (as the
amino acid ratios are different in each protein and that's what needs to
be right here) the kidneys respond and can heal.

It's important to feed what is prey-size and animal protein, and NO
toxins. Lots of things are toxic to cats, for example alfalfa, garlic,
rosemary, yucca and others.

>

Eek no - he has apparently not read any of th feline nutrition research
and recommends human stuff - inappropriate things like raw food and toxins.

Cats should not get raw food. It needs to be surface-cooked, or they
have nutrient depletetion on eating due to enzyme changes on the meat
surface after slaughter, caused by bacteria. This is not relevant to
other species like dogs and large cats who are designed to handle
carrion - but is critical for domestic (and other small) cats.
It is why small cats have a Jacobsen's organ. They are not designed to
detoxify anything - the equipment to do so would be heavy so they do not
have it - as they travel light designed as SOLO predators.
This is different from dogs who hunt in packs and can afford to run
heavy - and large cats who hunt in groups and also can run heavy.
Domestic cats are VERY toxicity prone, and have no ability to detoxify;
their systems are super-simplified to be efficient solo hunters, no
fancy stuff and so their food needs to be very correct for that design.
Dogs can't detox well either, but ar not quite as susceptible to toxins
as cats.

Nor can cats get "benefits" from garlic etc. The recommendations to use
that in cats and dogs comes from assumptions made from human research -
cats and dogs can't even break it down into its "beneficial" components
- so it's just poison to them.

For cats - also there should be no veg or fruit at all, with the
possible exception of a teaspoon of cooked plain pumpkin to supply
carotene daily.
They also depend heavily on intestinal bacteria to make the vitamins
other species get from veg and fruit, and to make the butyrate,
propionate and acetate that is essential for organ support in cats (and
dogs) and those bacteria in turn need food - either rice bran (teasp a
day) or beet fiber is best in cats.

Bottom line. I suggest:
ProPAc kitten dry food is the best 24/7 food and cats DO need one.
Ask a feed store to get it.
Plus fresh chicken, fresh fish, canned salmon, canned sardines.
To canned fish and fresh fish - add 500mg per pound of taurine as it is
depleted fast in fish and destroyed in canning. Also add 100 IU a day of
Vit E when using fish food.

If the cat gets too ill to eat, then the best ill cat food is Hills a/d
in cans (stands for anorexia diet) and it is the ONLY product of theirs
I ever suggest - mixed 50/50 with hot water to make a warm slurry that
also hydrates - and it can be fed with a child's medicine dropper.
Assist-feeding (not force feeding) is OFTEN needed in cats who lose
their appetite when ill.
Cats should NEVER fast - that is a fast kidney destroyer due to their
high protein turnover, they need protein 24/7. If it is not supplied
they have to break down muscle between meals and that damages kidneys.

Fruit and veg other than as suggested - is a big nono - it wrecks the
urine pH and cats can not digest it as they lack cellulose.
Cats can extract nutrients from corn and rice. The commercial food I
suggested has the least amount of it and the highest protein I Can find
in a food minus cat toxins.

2nd choices:
Maxximum kitten dry - Walmart.
Nutro Max kiten dry (not nutro natural choice)
Annamaet.

Nothing else on the market is toxin free and high enough protein IMO.

< but I'm not sure what would be best in this kitty's situation. Any ideas

The better the nutrition the better the results.
My suggestions here are based on original reserach using papers
presented at the annual symposia, starting with the 1998 International
feline and canine nutrition symposium. Also other feline nutrition research.

"Holistic" foods are usually a big mistake. They may have higher
protein but they are loaded with cat no-nos that undo your health building.

Good luck!
NAmaste,
IRene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Thanks so much for this, Irene. I appreciate the time and effort that went into your posting.
Discussion on this list has made me cognizant of problems with Pitcairn's suggested diets, but I'm not a cat person (nor a vet) so am uncomfortably aware of major gaps in my knowledge. Hence my query.
As for treating cancer in animals, I started doing that after successfully treating my black Lab for lymphoma (4 years later, at age 13, he's still going strong, though a bit less rambunctious). I've had some successes (liver cancer, fibrosarcoma), some it's too soon to know for sure, and some failures (anal sac cancer in a dog). Unfortunately, these cases tend to be diagnosed quite late, so you can't always save the animal. But you can make its end more peaceful and painfree. And some owners can't bear to put their pets down.
I often work with an animal communicator, which helps enormously in gathering symptoms and confirming remedies. Also use Dr. Ramakrishnan's technique of plussing (10 doses a day, in water), alternating between an "organ specific" remedy and a nosode. It sounds daunting, but cats in particular really get on board if you've got the right remedy -- they actually ask for it!
Thanks again for your help. One question about the Vit C, pantothenic acid, and B6: what do you consider high potency, and what should the dosage be (this is a small cat)?
Peace,
Dale

And can you say how you come to use such rx as Pred 30c and Thymus 4c, i.e. explain it in homeopathic terms especially from a point of view of the Organon and vis your other posts re: the pet food poison and the need to rep to find the simillimum - where would the 'law of similars' be here in choosing these potentised substances?

Joy

http://www.joylucashomeopathy.com
http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.blogspot.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/provings

And can you say how you come to use such rx as Pred 30c and Thymus 4c, i.e. explain it in homeopathic terms especially from a point of view of the Organon and vis your other posts re: the pet food poison and the need to rep to find the simillimum - where would the 'law of similars' be here in choosing these potentised substances?

Joy

http://www.joylucashomeopathy.com
http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.blogspot.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/provings

Dale Moss wrote:

Very welcome - quick note for now:

pantothenic acid, and B6: what do you consider high potency, and what
should the dosage be (this is a small cat)?>

Suggest:
Vit C to bowel tolerance, I usually start 200 mg every 4 hrs (it's
excreted about every 4 hrs), Vit B6 2.5 mg/day; Pantothenic acid 100
mg/day. Don't skip the Vit E.

Namaste,
IRene

--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Joy Lucas wrote:

Dear Joy,
The Rx is the simillimum - these are just extras to try to help.
Supplements if you like.

Pred is the artificial disease one would expect from all the Pred drugs
used. Pred 30c is an isode to *try* to help undo the pred damage.
Anything safe that helps, is good. Animal research shows that a single
injection of Pred can destroy 90% of the thymus!

The thymus is the organ needed to be repaired in order to restore
Th-1 cytokine normality as is needed in any Th-2-skewed chronic disease
- including cancer.
So the Thymus 4C is to stimulate Thymus repair according to the approach
of sarcodes.

Sarcodes in brief:
Low potency organ remedies from HEALTHY organs.
4C sarcodes stimulate the same organ;
5C and 6C regulate - such as if the gland is fluctuating wildly and hyou
want to regulate it.
higher like 9C up to 15C, suppresses an overactive organ eg in hyperthyroid.

Namaste,
IRene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."