Minutus

Ah, yes, you WOULD cook it, wouldn't you?

What a waste:)

ginny
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Hi Irene,
It does not to me, as far as health is concerned, either.

I myself am a veggie (well 99 percent of one) for reasons you may call
"philosophical" - but milk, cheese and eggs, when taken from decently
kept cows and hens, do not fall into my No-Foods, because I do
not know any philosophical reasons for not eating that.
Well, it's actually very sad that calves "raised for veal" are
forced to eat non-veggie food - but that just btw.

Regards

Luise

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Hi Luise,

I am a veggie as well, about the same percentage as you also. But ever since I read about way cows are raised and treated and
milked, and the hormones, chemicals, anibiotics, etc. given to them, and THEN the quality of the milk, because it's got to contain
the same hormones, antibx and other things injected to the cow, I had to stop using it. Not EVEN considering the growth hormone
AGF-1 that is the same as our Dna, which causes any lataent cancer cells in our bodies to muliply. The site of which I am speaking
is called www.notmilk.com.

It is well worth looking into. It definitely does concern our health. Not many of us have access to these dairy products from well
kept animals.

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Best regards,
Sandra
"philosophical" - but milk, cheese and eggs, when taken from decently
kept cows and hens, do not fall into my No-Foods, because I do
not know any philosophical reasons for not eating that.

There's an increasing number of dairies using good practices--cows on
pasture (and hay in the winter), no grains, no hormones, milk from any
AB treated cow is removed, etc. Which doesn't get around the
pasteurization issue (tho they'll do the minimum instead of the
maximum--for flavor and nutrition rather than shelf-life), but
represents a HUGE improvement for some of us. Not to mention for the
cows and environment.
Shannon
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That is true and you are very fortunate if you are near enough to take advantage of this. But then you still need to deal with the
IGF-l factor (sorry, I made a mistake in the first letter previously) Human Insulin-like growth factor and bovine IGF-l are
identical. Both contain 70 amino acids in the identical sequence. IGF-l produces a 10-fold increase in RNA levels of cancer cells.
IGF-l appears to be a critical component in cellular proliferation.
Sandra
There's an increasing number of dairies using good practices--cows on
pasture (and hay in the winter), no grains, no hormones, milk from any
AB treated cow is removed, etc. Which doesn't get around the
pasteurization issue (tho they'll do the minimum instead of the
maximum--for flavor and nutrition rather than shelf-life), but
represents a HUGE improvement for some of us. Not to mention for the
cows and environment.
Shannon
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Mm, I remembering reading reference to the IGF-1 factor--but isn't that
something that results from rBGH use, which these dairies do not use?
Or is it something that's in *all* milk?
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Shannon wrote:

something that results from rBGH use, which these dairies do not use?
Or is it something that's in *all* milk?
Shannon,

Here is an excerpt from the milk site I posted on the IGF-l factor and rBGH use. Hope this answers your question.

Sandra
**** Cancer "Fuel Cell":

Of those 59 hormones one is a powerful GROWTH hormone called Insulin-

like Growth Factor ONE (IGF-1). By a freak of nature it is identical

between cows and humans. Consider this hormone to be a "fuel cell" for

any cancer... (the medical world says IGF-1 is a key factor in the rapid

growth and proliferation of breast, prostate and colon cancers, and we

suspect that most likely it will be found to promote ALL cancers).

IGF-1 is a normal part of ALL milk... the newborn is SUPPOSED to grow

quickly! What makes the 50% of obese American consumers think they

need MORE growth? Consumers don't think anything about it because they

do not have a clue to the problem... nor do most of our doctors.

(See http://www.notmilk.com/igf1time.txt for a time line)

**** Quantity

Each bite of hard cheese has TEN TIMES whatever was in that sip of

milk... because it takes ten pounds of milk to make one pound of cheese.

Each bite of ice cream has 12 times ... and every swipe of butter 21

times whatever is contained in the fat molecules in a sip of milk.

**** Monsanto and rbGH (Posilac)

Monsanto Chemical Co., maker of fine poisons such as DDT, agent

orange, Roundup and more... spent around half a billion dollars

inventing a shot to inject into cows... to force a cow to produce MORE

milk (for an already glutted taxpayer subsidized market).

Unfortunately, they created *FIVE* errors in their Frankenstein

Posilac (rbGH) shot that direly affected all test animals... but that

important report (Richard, Odaglia & Deslex, 1989) has been hidden from

everyone under Clinton's Trade Secrets act. The Canadians read enough

of this report (before it was stolen) to reject rbGH for their country.

Monsanto's Posilac creates additional IGF-1 in milk: up to 80% more.

The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) insists that IGF-1 is destroyed

in the stomach. If that were true, the FDA has proven that

breast feeding cannot work. Common sense says their "finding" is

ridiculous because this growth factor DOES make the baby calf grow

(rapidly, as mother natured intended). Visit the Dairy Education Board

at http://www.notmilk.com/deb/100399.html to review a DAIRY study that

confirms what the FDA has lied about this for years.

**** IGF-1 increases

This study involved two groups. One group consuming 12 ounces of

milk a day and the other consuming the USDA recommended allowance of 24

ounces (three cups). This report notes that the participants consuming

12 ounces more milk per day... HAD A 10% RISE IN IGF-1 IN THEIR BLOOD

SERUM! Now, consider that PER DAY, from ALL sources, the typical

milk/dairy consumer ingests approximately 39% of daily diet from

dairy... and that 10% increase becomes the "tip of the iceberg". We

have NO idea of the non-dairy versus full-dairy difference but

considering cancer rates... it has to be significant.