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Irene-
I have used such medicines many times with very good results. I have
seen it working even if not given immediately. That it works is as
much a proof of its effectiveness as homeopathic medicines are claimed
to work because they are effective.

Talk about splitting hair ( "hair brained" arguments)
Does anyone know that the patient will be injured immediately without
the indicated homeopathic medicine? How does one know that the
homeopathic medicine cured someone and that the patient did not get
alright by himself or herself despite the indicated and
not-so-indicated simillimum?
Yeah I bet Irene knows nothing about this Do you think countering
and writing AGAINST vaccination is an allopathic approach then?
It means that somebody broke his/her back due to too much succussion
when preparing this and got this vaccine after that earlier strain

After recieving a private e-mail yesterday from a member of this group chastising me for 'discouraging breast feeding' I wish to state emphatically that I don't believe my former post advocated against breast feeding; what I did state that the language surrounding it and what it can and can not do is sometimes misleading. I will reiterate.
"1. Breast feeding is not the 'saving grace' as it is touted to be. Breast feeding will not undo nor prevent further damage to a child who has been vaccinated. Brest feeding is ONLY effective as a food source and when mother is in top physical and mental health and is taking extraordinary care and caution with her diet. There is far too much misinformation out there about breast feeding; and when spoken of in this manner - the reader is left with the impression that 'breast feeding' will either reverse the effects of the vaccine or become protective against it - which it simply and scientifically will not."
Breast feeding may very well be deemed a 'rewarding experience' to women who partake in the practice - but again I will ask specifically HOW does breastfeeding prove to be 'protective' against a Hep.B vaccine in a newborn infant?? I am curious to know of the findings and the reasons behind the statement made and nothing more.
"Hi Gail,
This is very difficult. This is one of the most injuring vaxs there is,
especially in newboarns. There is no routine way to antidote - if there was, I wouldn't have to
teach on the dangers of vaccines. And we as homeopaths wouldn't be faced with children and adults which such serious injury.
Hopefully the mom is breastfeeding and can see a quality homeopath. Not
all children/infants react immediately or at all - depends on susceptibility
When women go into hospital for births they have to be very prepared these
days with advocates who are with them constantly and keeping the baby with
them constantly, never in a nursery. Better to birth at home, as you
probably know.
Sheri"

"2. When filling out the forms for her 'newborn' did she take the time to read the forms? Why was this the first time vaccines were discussed?? As her aunt - and a midwife - I am curious as to why you yourself did not instruct her on this prior to the birth nor suggest anyone within your field of expertise to accompany her during the birthing procedure."
When representing oneself as a 'professional' and stating that profession; it is not un-natural for the curious to ask a question such as above. They are valid questions -and if these questions were posed prior to birth - the entire issue of the vaccine would become mute would it not? Stating the personal relationship in the post also leaves open to question why if in such an intimate relationship; and after informing the group of professional certification - WHY was the issue of the vaccine not discussed at length prior to birth?? This is simply a question -not a judgment on anyone's personality nor personal relationships.
Re: Newborn Hep B vacc

Posted by: "gail_brown" okmidwife1@juno.com
Mon Mar 5, 2007 3:20 pm (PST)

Certified Midwife

"3. Irene wrote: "Hep B 30C aqueous as soon as possible" - but did not give her reasoning as to why. I am curious how this determination can be arrived at so quickly - without benefit of examining the child or speaking to the parents or having a full record of the protocols and treatments used during and post the birth."
Namaste,
IRene

Also ; the post was devoid of any description of any adverse effects experienced by the child - if at all. How can one make a diagnosis on a devoid condition?? How does a practitioner develop a well defined and detailed diagnosis and then proceed with protocol and procedure without benefit of actually viewing and interviewing the patient?
As you can clearly see; the questions I posed have very little to do with the advocacy for or against breast feeding.
I was unaware that members of this discussion group took these discussions so very personally and as an invitation to insult other members of this group via private e-mail.
Would anyone care to address my questions on this posting in a mannar befitting the modality we are all involved in?
Karen DeNoble.

e remedy is invariably a different strain if the virus,
will still

Does the body really care if it is made from plant or animal or
mineral or whatever? Or whether something is isopathic or not...

Basing a prescription on the indicated symptoms and making a selection
from a pathogenetic collection of symptoms makes the selection
homeopathic... but there have been any number of approaches that
challenge this strict method- including some of our "table" based
approaches and these have been accepted as homeopathy-

also these vaccine products are blamed for creating such side effects
in so many people- so without proving them in potencies we still have
a collection of symptoms caused by them and when we know that there
has been a vaccination given that itself serves as an indication based
on causation...

One does not need to develop full scale problems after injury before
giving Arnica... even though there are no immediate indications the
cause itself acts as an indication... what if there are only chronic
effects of injury? Do we wait till then to give Arnica?

Sometimes the acumen and experience of the physician count as much as
any active indication...

Sheri Nakken wrote:

Only if the remedy is made from the vaccine actually used - that would
be isopathic. I'm not advocating that.

The Hep-B 30C remedy currently available (Simillimum has it in NZ) was
made some time ago. They would have used whatever vaccine there was at
the time the remedy was made - so that woudl NOT be the strain in the
vaccination that we are discussing currently.
Viruses mutate constantly to form other strains that are similar but
different. This is MY view of why this is so effective. Maybe there's a
different reason it is effective - but to me this one makes sense.
Not if the organism is a different strain. This is why cowpox "works"
for smallpox, and why the human HIV vaccine helps cats with AIDS.
What you see with the use of the remedy is a healthy size thymus gland
instead of the reduced one that predisposes chronic disease. Vets who
routinely vaccinate, have actually told me "Cats do not have a thymus to
speak of after kittenhood". Well that is only true for those vaccinated,
(or whose mothers were vaccinated.)
It is not true for those minimally vaccinated with remedy to handle the
damage nor for those unvaccinated whose mothers were not vaccinated.

You also see removal of adverse vaccine symptoms such as lethargy,
discomfort, malaise, and worse, using a remedy before or after vaccination.
In cats you see a healthy cat for the duration of life without chronic
disease, and as they have a 20 year or so generation time there has been
more than enough time to see this for many animals since vaccines and
vaccine remedies were introduced.
Countering (or removing) a disease energy to leave the individual
healthy, using a similar stronger artificial disease, is exactly what
homeopathy is about in my book.
For example the upper respiratory vaccine remedy I use in cats is from a
1996 strain of feline upper respiratory vaccine. It works better than
one from this year's virus strain/s.
Namaste,
Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Karen DeNoble wrote:
group chastising me for 'discouraging breast feeding' I wish to state
emphatically that I don't believe my former post advocated against
breast feeding>

As I read it, your post did not discourage breast feeding - it just said
breast feeding was not a panacea for all ills, and that there is more to
health than breastfeeding alone.

I agree with your view.
...Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Hi Sheri
Here is a definition about isopathy from Wikepedia

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See also: Homeopathy and vaccination

Isopathy is a therapy related to homoeopathy . It was invented by Johann Joseph Wilhelm Lux ( 1773-1849) in the 1830s .[1]

It differs from homeopathy in general in that the remedies are made up either from things that cause the disease or from products of the disease such as pus . These are referred to by isopaths as nosodes and are subdived into auto-nosodes and sarcodes. Many so-called homeopathic vaccines are in fact a form of isopathy.[2]

Isopathy, giving nosodes or other remedies supposing to be equal to the disease is not according to traditional theory of homeopathy[3] . Hahnemann:
Mostly homeopaths try to give the simillimum, this means not giving the remedy equal but similar to the disease; this could be a nosode as well. Association: In psychology similarity appeal to the associative abilities, this is well known in education when working with metaphors.[5]

Many of the criticisms that are leveled at homeopathy are also leveled at isopathy.

Kindly

A
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Well, I wouldn't use Wikipedia as the gold standard of information but in
this case they are right.

Using disease nosodes or vaccine remedies nosodes in the manner Irene
mentioned is isopathy.
Sheri

Joseph Wilhelm Lux ( 1773-1849) in the 1830s.[1]
either from things that cause the disease or from products of the disease
such as pus. These are referred to by isopaths as nosodes and are subdived
into auto-nosodes and sarcodes. Many so-called homeopathic vaccines are in
fact a form of isopathy.[2]
disease is not according to traditional theory of homeopathy[3]. Hahnemann:
be created by means of Isopathy, as it is called - that is to say, a method
of curing a given disease by the same contagious principle that produces
it. But even granting this could be done, yet, after all, seeing that the
virus is given to the patient highly potentized, and consequently, in an
altered condition, the cure is effected only by opposing a simillimum to a
simillimum. [4]
remedy equal but similar to the disease; this could be a nosode as well.
Association: In psychology similarity appeal to the associative abilities,
this is well known in education when working with metaphors.[5]
isopathy.
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I have the same questions, thanks.

Robin