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[Simon King LCPH MARH]

Sorry I still must disagree, MTs or herbal tinctures are NOT
universally safe.

There are herbs which if given in tincture form can cause problems

Homeopaths who are not trained in medical herbalism should NOT
pretend they are - for the patient's sake.

kind regards

Simon King
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[Shannon Nelson]

Wouldn't the commercially available ones carry recommended dosages that
would take safety into account? (Sorry if this is a naive question...)
Shannon
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[muthu kumar]

like the commercially available allopathic medicines
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[dr. leela]

Dear Irene,

I must state that my use of Mother tinctures is when absolutely
required. I don't use them as a rule, except when, based on the
response to the similimum, I find that the case needs nutritional or
supplementary support.

So, with appetite, there are ready made preparations easily
avialable which i do not reccomend.
But based on the symptoms realted to the lack of appetite:
Alfa Alfa Q (nutrition related)
Chelidonium Q (liver related)
Caardus MArianus Q
are the main remedies. Look up the materia MEdica and the general
indications are given. What is importnat in using mother tinctures
is to evaluate a change on symptomatology follwing their intake. One
cnanot just use a mother tincture and let the pateint go. this is
similar to any other homeopathic management.

For example - once Chelidonium caused increased sleepiness after 2
doses in one pateint and I told her not to take it again.

My dosages are very conservative. i ask the pateint to prepare a
solution in a cup for 1 day, 5 drops of mother tincture diluted in
it. Divide in into 2 or 3 parts for the day and take it before meals
(for appetite).
Reccomended dosages (here, India) are usually 20 drops 3 times a
day, etc. I don't think that is necesary at all - itss way too much.
We're working dynamically, not physiologically. Even with mother
tinctures.

Again, recourse to mother tinctures also belies either the
shortcomings of the homeopath, or the shortcomings of the case in
questions (very suppressedcases; complicated case, pathology, etc
which are going to take a while to recover).
Hope this helps,
dr. leela

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[dr. leela]

OK Bonnie, thanks.
I saw Gian's contribution on the lyteforce list and saw Carcinosin
as the nosode reccomendation for Cirrhosis.

We need to look at the merits of this case. More information will
really be welcome.

Serious homeopathic practice is never easy. But it is the tough
cases that force us to question our methodologies and learn more
deeply about case management.
dr. leela

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[dr. leela]

I agree Simon.
MAnaging tinctures is as individual as homeopathic prescribing.
I think in an earlier post I mentioned how I work with them. It is
my present point of view.
leela

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There is a small book available by Dr Kamal Kansal called Hand Book of
Homoeopathic Mother Tinctures. He gives some dosing recommendations in
that and states quite clearly at the beginning of the book that too much
MT can cause a problem and quotes one MT where only two drops should be
given and repeated only if necessary as larger quantities may make the
patient worse.

Kerry

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[Rochelle]

I've done a 20 week course in Herbal Medicine and we had lectures at college
(hence the way I dose) so does that count?
Rochelle
Registered Homeopath
EFT(Advanced) Practitioner
www.southporthomeopathy.co.uk

[Irene de Villiers]

dr. leela wrote:

Dear Dr Leela,
Thank you, I much appreciate your explanation and suggestions. This
may be a new item to add to the arsenal I need on the FIP cases I work
with.
FIP is a fast moving chronic disease in cats in which a mutated
virus in the gut tricks the immune system into attacking and destroying
the cat with antibodies. It presents many ways according to what
tissues/organs are attacked first - but all organ systems are destroyed
by antibodies and at the late stage at which it is currently diagnosed,
the cat is often only days from death from failing liver and other
organs. It happens at any age but mostly in young kittens
over-vaccinated etc. So I usually see cases already advised for
euthanasia. (Conventional medicine has no success with FIP).
Sounds good to me too.
I agree. A diluted MT makes a lot more sense. It's also the way I've
used it when working with spinal column paralysis after car accidents
etc. in cats. [There it was less diluted - I have used a teaspoon of MT
in a cup of water, applied topically frequently for months - takes a few
months to reverse total paralysis that way - along with simillimum.]

Well whatever shortcomings are involved, I am happy to find a way to add
some new aspect to my arsenal of "tools" that help the end result.
I've already had to "bend the classical rules" a little to get the
successes I do with this particular illness. Instead of repertorizing
only the symptoms I see physically and in the lab reports with FIP, I
add in the symptoms I know from experience have about 90% chance of
coming *next* in that particular presentation of the pathology - so as
to cover if possible, everything from causation, through current
symptoms to future ones, in remedy selection. Otherwise I end up
"running after it" and the disease wins the race. Not good.

I do not do this "pre-empting" of rubrics generally - I do it here in
order not to run out of time before I can build up the life force enough
to accept the high potency needed to overcome the disease. Nutrition is
a big part of health rebuilding here - but starting from a smashed liver
that's no easy task, especially in a species that would rather starve
than eat without an appetite

So I hope your information might be applicable to help this somewhat.
Many thanks!

Namaste,
Irene
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P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[Simon King LCPH MARH]

I think it is important not to give students the impression as
Rochelle said that all herbs are 'safe'
There is nothing inherently 'safe' about herbal dosage, as you and I
have both underlined it needs to be individualised.

Even Rochelle's own example doesn't illustrate the assertion that
herbs are 'safe'
kind regards

Simon King
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