Fevers [was: Interesting not-so-acute case

[Sarvadaman Oberoi]

Dear Sheri,
The ref for 10 percent blood pressure.
Regards.

Sarvadaman Oberoi
New Delhi, India
Mobile: +919818768349 Tele: +911244076374
Website: http://www.freewebs.com/homeopathy249/
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*SUKUMARAN N., Heart Problems of Adult and Aged (skn1)*

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*High blood pressure *

Volumes have been written and stupendous research all over the world by
known medical systems have found various ways and means to combat this
malady but as to the causes of high blood pressure a definite answer still
eludes. The difficulty to find out a definite answer leads one to conclude
that one factor alone is not responsible for high blood pressure. Heredity,
personal traits, food habits, environment, age, overweight, stress, smoking,
Tea/coffee/Alcohol, certain occupations etc. are responsible for
hypertension. But a common factor lies through all these. That is the
changes these factors can bring on the receptor molecules and consequent
malfunctioning of the stable metabolism within the cells. This needs more
careful studies before a theory can be advanced.

Blood Pressure is the force the blood exerts on blood vessel walls and this
force is necessary for smooth circulation of the blood in the body. Outflow
of blood from the heart and resistance generated by the narrowing inner
circumference enable to maintain this pressure.

In a healthy individual normal blood pressure ranges from 95 to 150 mm Hg.
of systolic and 60 to 90 mm Hg. of diastolic depending on the age. *Any
variation beyond ± 10% is considered abnormal.* However, there are *
exceptions*, so much so that when the blood pressure is brought to this
normal limit from 220 systolic and 120 diastolic a patient of 48 years age
complained of nausea, sleeplessness, irritability and discomfort. Thinking
that it could be due to sudden changes caused, enough time was given to
achieve and equilibrium but the patient could not improve till his systolic
was allowed to go upto 180 and diastolic to 100. *Human body, in fact, is
designed to manage need based high blood pressure as encountered during
excitement, anger, sexual acts, etc. It will come back to normal without
medication within time limits.* If raised blood pressure remains
continuously for fairly long time and it does not come back without medical
interference, only then is the term 'hyper-tension' valid.

Hypertension is one of the major causes for coronary heart problems. Same
is the case with respect to infraction of brain (stroke). Effect of
hypertension on heart result in angina pectoris, cardiac breathlessness,
congestive failure and myocardial infarction.

Removing the causative factors, establishing a conducive environment and
homoeopathic interference can successfully bring the patients back to health
in a majority of these cases.

Symptoms should be studied with respect to age, modalities and influencing
factors. Inability or difficulty in climbing stairs, fainting on exertion,
sinking feeling, breathlessness, palpitation of the heart,
constrictive/oppressive feeling in chest, burning of palms and soles and
puffiness of face are to be noted. A good materia medica should be referred
to corroborate symptoms so that claudication, nephrosclerosis and
atherosclerosis could be gauged. Early warning symptoms if properly taken
care of can ward off possible calamities. Homoeo medicines to be studied
include Arsenic Album, Aurum Met., Avena Sativam, Bryonia, Gelsemium,
Glonine, Lachesis, Lycopus v., Sanguinaria, Spartin s., Spigelia, Veratrum
vir., etc.
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[Brian Garnant]

This seems a bit stunted. How did you conduct research. How long did you actually spend on the research? What are the citations? How extensive was your research?
Brian Garnant

Sarvadaman Oberoi wrote:
Researched the subject of high fever and raised blood pressure in combating
disease in the homeopathic literature.

Results of research are:

For optimum cure blood pressure may rise about 10 percent of the persons
normal BP in case of adults except those suffering from chronic hypertension
and temperature should not rise beyond 102.2 deg F.

For children there may be slightly elevated BP and temperature should not
rise beyond 101.3 deg F.

If temperature rises beyond optimum use cold compresses - if not
controllable allopathic means may have to be resorted to as an emergency
measure until falls below this level.

If BP crosses 10 percent range might use Digitalis 6C every 5 minutes till
controlled ( Digitalis not to be used if contra- indications exist) - Cactus
6C - if not controllable allopathic means may have to be resorted to as an
emergency measure until falls below this level.

Regards.

Sarvadaman Oberoi
New Delhi, India
Mobile: +919818768349
+911244076374
Website: http://www.freewebs.com/homeopathy249/
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[Luise Kunkle]

Hi All,

I think with fever one really has to individualize.

I myselft shuld not allow a person with e.g. a "weak heart" to have a
high fever.

E. G. as soon as someone starts having irregular heart beat I should
try and bring it down. My first try would be lukewarm wet compresses
around the calves.

Apart from that: fever raises the heart beat, i.e. also the pulse. I
would orient myself on that. There are guiding lines concerning how
high a publse frequency is permissible for how long periods of time in
certain conditions, referring e.g. to exercise. Or the patient may
know from experience what frequency s/he can well tolerate.

As far as blood pressure is concerned, the same. Some people, e.g.
myself, feel best when their blood pressure, for one reason or other,
is higher than their "normal" value. So having a non-hypertensive
patient I should ask whether s/he feels better after exercise, when in
a rage etc, where physiocolgically the blood pressure is raised.

So I should orient myself on the 2 considerations mentioned above.

As far as healthy (except for this acute) people are concerned I would
really rather not try and lower a fever below 40 degrees Celsius (104
F).

On the other hand, if the patient or parents were anxious, I would
advise them to lower by the above-mentioned compresses, keep checking
the temp. and stop when it gets below [whatever you can convince the
patient of]. While as a rule I am not terribly against reasonable use
of Tylenol (for pain etc.) I should try and avoid it to lower the
fever, since there is no control at what temperature to stop.

Regards

Luise
--
One thought to all who, free of doubt,
So definitely know what's true:
2 and 2 is 22 -
and 2 times 2 is 2:-)
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[Pauline Ashford]

I have found that particularly in Belladonna fevers that if you use
paracetamol or ibroprofen to bring down temperature that it creates a pale
and vomiting child. My assumption on this is that it seems to bring down the
surface temp but does nothing for the core temp and the body then does a
heat exchange with any fluids in the stomach and they 'vomit out the heat'
in a last ditch attempt to bring the core temp down. (I think that Phos also
would come in here due to it vomiting of fluid shortly after it has reached
the stomach) I also have found a worsening if you try to cold/cool sponge or
bathe them - it actually makes them worse for the same reasons and often
they do not want to be sponged.
I will try and find the reference but I remember reading at some stage (from
some German research I think it was) that that a temp of 39.6 is the point
at which a virus or bacteria are unable to replicate and therefore is a
desirable limit in the first 24-48 hours of a fever as it meant that there
were less cells invaded and/or destroyed and therefore the 'mop up' at the
end is far less onerous and less likely that there will be secondary
bacterial infection. I have observed this to be fairly true in the fever
cases (esp Belladonna cases) that I see. Regards Pauline

[muthu kumar]

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wrote:
a pale

That is a good observation and probably worth more study. I have found
that some people react badly to concurrent allopathic medicines and
some do not- once again individualistic. Your observation is even more
precise...
I also have found a worsening if you try to cold/cool sponge or
often

I cannot comment since all I would advice is tepid water sponging...

[Shannon Nelson]

That's interesting! If I did my math right, that's 103.2 F.
Shannon

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[Shannon Nelson]

Hi Paula,
Did you mean if the febrifuge is used in *addition* to Bell, or instead
of?
(I'm curious why one might use both??)
Shannon
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[Pauline Ashford]

Shannon I have seen it in both similtaneous and singular use of febrifuge
BUT the description of the fever before the use of the febrifuge is one that
would fit Belladonna, the pale and vomiting is the change that comes after
the febrifuge Regards Pauline

[Pauline Ashford]

I found that it didnt matter what the sponging temp water is it has the same
'cooling' evaporative effect on the skin. I also found that those needing
Belladonna often seem quite vehement about not wanting to be sponged - this
has been related to me by parents many times. (Maybe it is just the
hydophobic nature of the remedy???) REgards Pauline

[Shannon Nelson]

Okay, that's what I figured.
But I'm curious why one would give both the remedy and the drug--"an
excess of caution", or ?? Curious because in my experience so far, a
well-placed remedy works SO much faster and better than the equivalent
drug. (But maybe that's not always so, esp. if the remedy's potency is
not high enough?)
Shannon
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