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Re: arnica case - chronic/acute - &dentist

Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 10:14 am
by Joy Lucas
I've missed a lot of these posts but my own thoughts are

1) it isn't Didi who is on trial here (for want of a better word) but
the use of combination rx - sadly there are many here and elsewhere who
use them

2) they do not add to our understanding of 'what works' because it is
precisely because we DON'T KNOW WHAT IS WORKING that is the problem

3) I find it curious as to why and how combination rx ever came to be -
they represent the bad things, e.g. lazy homeopathy or, worse still,
insecure homeopathy, where we prescribe with a lack of confidence or
knowledge and so, just in case *** rx doesn't work we will add !!! rx
and just to be on the safe side lets throw in ^^^ rx - that should do
it - wow, it did, so combos must be great (oh dear I can here the
dreaded PC arguments looming).

I will agree with Chris that this sort of procedure is insulting to
those who have spent so many years 'doing' homeopathy Hahnemann's way
when there is no need to do it anyone else's way

I think we also have to blame the pharmacies for promoting the use of
combos as they manufacture them as well as some homeopaths but the
demand is there - shame on them

4) combination rx are not the same as alternating rx - in acutes one
might find themselves 'moving' around rx, sometimes in very quick
succession as sx require it but this is not the same as combinations,
where you take a number of pills pretty much all at the same time - and
in chronic cases, one is even more likely to move around rx (either
because the case requires it or through our own lack of understanding
of the case and the medicines involved)

5) I doubt that these posts will stop Didi or anyone else from using
combos but as I understand it, this list is not available to promote
such practice - there simply isn't a need for it. To be desperate for
homeopathy to work, take the case of the individual and prescribe
accordingly, it is as simple as that - even in an epidemic you would
have to speedily get similar sx from each person to confirm a single
useful rx - so please do not promote insecure homeopathy. Best wishes
to all, Joy

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Re: arnica case - chronic/acute - &dentist

Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 1:29 pm
by Tanya Marquette
i also think that the conditions that prevail also impact how one works.
didi works under conditions with great limitations and i give her credit
for being creative in finding solutions that work for the greatest number of
people with limited resources and most likely other problems such as
transportation, money, childcare, etc.

didi, i love the information and perspectivies that you provide.

tanya
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Re: arnica case - chronic/acute - &dentist

Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 2:03 pm
by Shannon Nelson
Hi Chris,
Well, this (reaction to Didi's post) is evidently an issue about
"beliefs" and temperament, and not useful ground for any argument, so I
have nothing further to add.
Best wishes,
Shannon
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Re: arnica case - chronic/acute - &dentist

Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 2:10 pm
by Shannon Nelson
All of the "water" remedies are natural combos, and the vital force
seems to untangle those influences effectively enough. Likewise any of
the plant or animal remedies...
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Re: arnica case - chronic/acute - &dentist

Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 2:12 pm
by Shannon Nelson
Chris,
I don't understandyour question about "the homeopathic mechanism at
work in a combination remedy." You know the proposed explanations as
well as anyone else--that the needed remedy(s) works, and the others do
nothing. It seems well-verified by experience.
context of constitutional care, so I need to know what's acting, and
how. Would I ever recommend a combo? Sure, if someone wants to try
that instead of "something stronger", and doesn't have a homeopath
available to look for the single remedy. I don't see the big issue.
It's not what I *practice*, but then the world is *full* of things I
don't practice, and I do think that "peaceful coexistence" is possible.
rise to problems. Likewise if one uses combos long-term, for chronic
issues. But that is not the situation that was described.
Shannon
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Re: arnica case - chronic/acute - &dentist

Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 2:16 pm
by Joy Lucas
Dear Shannon, can you explain what you mean here, it's gone over my
head. Best, Joy

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Re: arnica case - chronic/acute - &dentist

Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 2:27 pm
by Joy Lucas
But Chris wrote this -
I also would like to know - it isn't enough to say 'give 3,4, 5, 10,
100, etc rx in a combo and say 'it' worked so the combo idea must be
good - likely, definitely even, it will be just one of those rx that
worked and it is a lot to ask of the vital force to overcome any
possibility of derangement due to any sensitivity to a mixture of rx.

Promoting without justification is even <<

Re: arnica case - chronic/acute - &dentist

Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 3:06 pm
by muthu kumar
We use a lot of medicines that have got no decent provings and based
on clinical indications rather than pure pathogenetical proving-

Let us say for discussions' sake - now that the medicines have been
mixed it has become a single composite- what Didi is saying is for
this particular combination of remedies this is the clinical indication-

what is the problem with it?
I understand that complex medicines have a lot of primary and
secondary reactions and all that might be confusing for the poor vital
force...

but patients are not in a vacuum sealed package- we are treating
people who are living in a polluted world, drinking coke and eating
junk and consuming chemicals by the thousand counts daily and
occasionally popping in allopathic pain killers or anti-fever
medicines- if all of these do not assail the vital force - a poor 3
remedy combination should not...
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Re: arnica case - chronic/acute - &dentist

Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 3:13 pm
by muthu kumar
I entirely agree with you, there are patients who cannot come to you
or phone or email you when remedies do not work- they cannot take a
day off from their work - if they do not work they lose money for the
day- if your remedy does not work they will go to the nearest doctor
for an injection and cannot bother to contact you ( since they cannot)
they do not live in the emailing, cell-phoning world...

do we allow them to go to the allopath or give them something that
would help them tide over the problem but still keep them with us for
a carefully considered single remedy later on?
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Re: arnica case - chronic/acute - &dentist

Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 3:38 pm
by Joy Lucas
what kind of nonsense is this - what combo rx do you give them Kumar, a few nosodes,
mix and match, drop a few rx into sweetie bags, tell them to go to the chemist and pick
up a few vials that appeal the most

what are you really and genuinely saying - give a few combo rx and then take the case and
attempt to give the simillimum - if you do the former why even bother doing the latter

bizarre. Joy :-(

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