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Re: Suicide note

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 10:34 am
by Joy Lucas
A group of plants, shrubs, trees that also include subgroups as well -
from Sankaran's grouping he places the following:- Abroma, Abelmoschus,
Cacao, Chocolate, Gossypium, Kola nut, Tilia cordata, Tilia europaea.

The whole group is about gaining and then losing. Losing through
suicide being the ultimate but it can take many forms, remember
Jeremy's dog and chocolate - unattainable as it is the 'food of the
gods' but the dog took it and it was poisonous (to dogs) and the dog
died almost instantly. You could call this group the romeo and juliet
show :-)

Best wishes, Joy
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Re: Suicide note

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 3:42 pm
by Shannon Nelson
Thanks, Joy, Jean and Andy! Most interesting!!
Shannon
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Re: Suicide note

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 7:37 pm
by Caro
"You could call this group the romeo and juliet show :-)"
Oh, that's so interesting, Joy! Pardon my ignorance, is there a book that
talks specifically about that?
BW,
Caro.
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Re: Suicide note

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 9:04 pm
by Joy Lucas
I have no idea. Maybe ask Liz Lalor if she is still on this list, or
read Sankaran's plant books.

I take it that you know a bit about the story of Romeo and Juliet -
wanting that which is unattainable. Interesting that he called his
'love' a princess - they are usually unattainable. This contributes to
the need to search the world looking for the ideal but the ideal can
never be 'had' for whatever reason that comes within it being
unattainable. With this constant search they are forever under threat
of losing what they might find and this equals being perpetually
separated from this - they are never meant to attain - this can lead to
delusions of attachment (if this dream is broken, then naturally a
further detachment takes place).

Might possibly relate to emotional states arising out of miscarriages,
or stillborn births, 'C' sections??

As I said chocolate is food of gods and therefore not to be 'had' and
for those who love chocolate but feel they ought to abstain else they
will eat too much is the same.

For other remedies in this group this theme applies as well, e.g. Abel
has an obsession about being attacked by animals and insects so there
is a constant need to be separated from this; Gossypium is a rx for
miscarriage and infertility and this represents a big issue for many
who are searching for their ideal to procreate; Kola nut feel outcast
and unloved so forever searching for love but they elevate themselves
to an upper level, make themselves better than others so it is THEY who
become unattainable, instead of the reverse of others not wanting them.

Zillions of rx have these feelings but this is the theme on an
emotional level - all have strong physical sx as well which would
confirm and take a case away from dubious 'essence' type prescribing.
Best wishes, Joy

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Re: Suicide note

Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 12:16 am
by dusty1197
Caro, I'm late coming into this; I post very rarely.

By the sound of the suicide note and its content, I would be
hesitant to conclude that there was a complete absence of warning
signs, maybe more an issue of others' not recognizing them or of
their appearing too late for successful intervention.

The young man speaks of a lifelong unhappiness and a group of people
who were aware that he was "always" searching for something to fill
his perceived void. In suicide cases, it's true that the more
serious a person is about suicide, the more apt s/he will be to give
no blatant warning signs. But in the vast majority of cases, there
is something, no matter how subtle, that will suggest the
possibility of suicide.

Sometimes, a seemingly paradoxical state ensues, whereby the person
appears suddenly happy, relaxed, at peace, or relieved of whatever
was bothering him/her. This is the impression that the note gives --
it exudes a calmness, a peacefulness that is contrary to the
previous state of discontentment and lack of fulfillment -- and this
is often a very strong indicator of an impending suicide attempt. I
can almost hear a sigh that the search is over. This note suggests
that the young man reached a state of resignation and acceptance of
his fate, at peace with surrender, which should have resulted in an
alteration of his previous state. Whether or not there was time for
anyone to recognize the possiblity of suicide and intervene is not
known.

Either way, no one is at fault -- though much self-blame will no
doubt circulate. I'm sorry to hear of this young man's plight and
sympathize with his family.

Toni
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, Caro wrote:
friends.
prevented with
that
interested
gone for a
don't judge
happiness
keep it next
always
to find it.
was
love forever

Re: Suicide note

Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 11:26 pm
by Caro
Hi guys,
Sorry I took so long to reply to all your wonderful posts; I got tangled
with life.
Joy, your analysis of the case and suggestion of Tilia are extremely
interesting. They seem most accurate based on the only evidence we've got
(the note). The whole essence of the case is in Tilia, perhaps much more
than any of the remedies I could have considered. Great notes on the remedy
group (those were the references I was asking about, did you put the info
together yourself, or...?).
Dusty, I'm sure you're correct about the fact that *some* warning signs must
have been there. The note does appear peaceful and an expression of relief.
We can only wonder if he expressed that calm to anyone before writing the
note or making his decision, something that would've shown a change in
behavior.
Anyway, thanks to all who wrote thoughts and remedy suggestions for this
case. It was really interesting.
Caro.
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Re: Suicide note

Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 6:22 am
by AH
on 1/26/06 2:26 PM, Caro at caroandujar@gmail.com wrote:

colleagues is Aurum muriaticum natronatum -- said to be similar to
phosphorus in outgoing nature but "harder".
"They can have exaggerated expectations regarding the opposite sex and
relationships." [Wulfsberg]

It is like a mixture of Aurum (suicidal, succeeds never, ailments from
disappointed love); and natrium muriaticum (of course huge rx for ailments
from grief and separation). The propriety with which he was responsible to
his local online university community followed by suicide could be explained
by that ionic combination. We think of this rx mostly in uterine
complaints, but in vithoulkas/Scholten type "synthetic prescribing" this one
would be one to perhaps study as having been a candidate in the case
depending on whether the below picture fits -- as was Aurum muriaticum
already suggested. Thanks for the exercise.

Best,
Andy

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AURUM MURIATICUM NATRONATUM (VERMEULEN SYNOPTIC 2)

REGION
FEMALE ORGANS. Glands. Bones. Digestion. Bloodvessels. * Left side.
LEADING SYMPTOMS
M Justice.
"Natrum muriaticum switches the need for justice in Aurum to the
thought: 'I know what you are up to.' No real suspicion. He does, however,
quickly form a definite opinion about somebody. With Natrum muriaticum, such
an opinion is usually correct, but not with this remedy." [Vrijlandt]
M Reserved.
"Similarity with Phos., a remedy that also has a tendency to the
formation of fibromas. However, where Phos. is open and warm, Aur-m-n. has
no trace of this characteristic. The similarity involves the refinement,
sensitivity, receptivity, and even the charisma, but that is where the
similarity ends, because the openness and the strong contactual qualities of
Phos. are lacking. On the contrary, Aur-m-n. is sooner reserved, diffident
and closed during initial contact." [Vithoulkas]
M Cover-up.
talking about his suicide in an email and then doing it?...]
"They can have a sardonic, grim form of humour, esp. the cool, tough macho
type." [Wulfsberg]
M Daredevils. Accident - prone. Want to try anything new.
"They want to escape their inner disharmony, to compensate, to
cover up and protect their inner vulnerability. These activities also give
them approval and admiration, for which they have a strong need. They try to
conquer everything in themselves that they perceive as a weakness."
[Wulfsberg]
or:
M Cautiousness. Yielding.
Avoidance of any risks. Fear of undertaking anything new.
[from strong fear of failure and rejection] [Wulfsberg]
Oversensitive to being a burden to others.
M Compulsion - addiction [all Aurums].
[food addictions; abuse of coffee, alcohol, tobacco or stimulants;
excesses]
M Fear of strangers and feeling uncomfortable in social settings and
gatherings.
M Sarcasm or tendency to tease family members [to vent pent up
anger], esp. if treated unfair or criticised. [Wulfsberg]
"Aurum muriaticum natronatum is very close to Aurum muriaticum, with
the difference being that Aurum-mur-natr. is harder and more aggressive on
all levels. Mentally it is not as open and sympathetic as Aurum muriaticum,
it is rather more introverted and the element of anger is more pronounced."
[Springer, Hom. Links 1/97]
M Strong tendency to self pity.
M Eager to receive compliments and flattery.
"At the same time they often have difficulties in handling compliments
and emotions from others as this makes them feel out of control and
therefore uncomfortable." [Wulfsberg]

"They can have exaggerated expectations regarding the opposite sex and
relationships." [Wulfsberg]
G Chiefly used on general Aurum indications.
The Natrum muriaticum component increases the affinity with the
bloodvessels, the liver and the genitalia.
G Tendency to high blood pressure; with beating of carotid and
temporal arteries.
"Hypertension from arteriosclerosis, in sturdily-built people,
with a somewhat gloomy nature." [Vrijlandt]
G Chilliness.
"Great need of warmth, both physically and emotionally." [Wulfsberg]
G INDURATIONS.
Cysts and tumours. Warts.
G Suppuration of glands.
G Motion.
"All symptoms worse rest."
G Better Evening.
[dullness; headache]
G Boring pains.
[over left eye; skull; chest; tibiae; bones]
Pains drawing; pressing; stitching.
P Nervous dyspepsia.
& Tendency to diarrhoea after meals.
P Cramping pains in uterus beginning with coldness in abdomen.
RUBRICS
MIND: Dullness better evening [1]. Indifference about his recovery [1].
VERTIGO: On turning or moving the head quickly [1]*.
HEAD: Heaviness and heat in occiput [1]. Pain, headache in morning on
waking [2]*; better evening [1]; from anticipation [2]*; from excitement
[3]*; better lying in a dark room [2]*; in school children [2]*; winter
headaches [2; Sulph.]; drawing pain in forehead while sitting [2/1]; Sides,
one side [2]*; alternating sides [2]*. One-sided perspiration on painless
side [1/1].
EYE: Left eye closes involuntary during headache [1/1]. Chronic
inflammation [2]; & inflammation of eyes & scurfy nose [1/1]. Pain at inner
canthus of left eye [1]. Tired feeling in eyes [1]*.
VISION: Flickering before headache [1]*.
NOSE: Catarrh extending to frontal sinuses [1]*. Constant inclination
to blow the nose [1]*. Obstruction, worse on right side [2]*; alternating
sides [1]*; in morning on waking [2]*; when riding in a carriage [1].
Shining swelling [2].
FACE: Middle of lower lip cracked [1]; & pain, esp. when touched [1/1].
Pale discolouration during headache [1]*. Eruptions, acne, & menstrual
irregularities [1]. Swelling above left eye [2/1]; under eyes [1]*.
MOUTH: Biting cheek [2]*; lower lip [1]*. Burning pain in tip of tongue
[1]. Salivation better eating [1]. Stammering speech from excitement [1]*.
THROAT: Ulcers, tonsils [2]; right tonsil [2/1].
STOMACH: Increased appetite in evening [1]*. Thirstlessness [3]*.
RECTUM: Diarrhoea from anticipation [1]*.
STOOL: White, fecal stool # black [1/1].
BLADDER: Inflammation of bladder from becoming cold [1]*.
URINE: Copious urine, more than is drunk [1]; copious urine during
fever [2; Stram.].
RESPIRATION: Deep amel. [2]*. Sighing [3]*.
FEMALE: Cancer of uterus and mammae [2/1]. Induration of uterus,
partly, other part soft [1/1]. Chronic inflammation of uterus [2]. Cramping
pain in vagina during leucorrhoea [1/1]. Ulcers of labia [2].
CHEST: Pain at region of heart when standing [1/1]; drawing pain above
left clavicle, extending to shoulder and nape of neck, when sitting [1/1];
stitching pain in axilla during rest [1/1]; transient stitches in wall of
thorax, alternating sides, when walking [1/1]. Palpitation of heart on
stooping [1]; while standing [1].
BACK: Cracking of cervical vertebrae on bending head [1]. Burning pain
in skin of nape of neck [1]. Stiffness of cervical region [2]*.
EXTREMITIES: Awkwardness of hands, drops things [1]*. Cracks in fingers
in winter [1]*. Sensation of heat in right deltoid muscle, extending to
fingers [1/1]. Pain in lower limbs better motion [2]; while sitting [2];
boring pain in tibia better while walking [2]; drawing pain in tibia better
motion [3]; drawing pain in toes while sitting [2/1]; pressing pain in
elbow-joints [1]. Restlessness of lower limbs [1]*.
SLEEP: Sleeplessness from activity of mind [3]*. Waking at 4-5 a.m.
[1]*; too early [1]*; from slight noises [2]*.
SKIN: Yellow discolouration after anger [2; Nux-v.]. Eruptions from
exposure to sun [1]*.
GENERALITIES: Air, seaside agg. [1]*; amel. [2]*. Before menses agg.
[2]*. Orgasm of blood from emotions [2]*. Right side, esp. ear, nose and
throat [2]*.
* Repertory additions suggested by Wulfsberg.
FOOD
Aversion: Fats [2]*; fish [2]*; meat [1]*.
Desire: Chocolate [3]*; sweets [2]; coffee [2]*; pastry [2]*; spices
[2]*; bread [1]*; farinaceous food [1]*; fats [1]*; fish [1]*; meat [1];
milk [1]*; salt [1]; sour [1]; stimulants [1]*; warm food [1]*; wine [1]*.
Worse: Alcohol [1]*; salt [1]*; tobacco [1].

Re: Suicide note

Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 8:08 am
by Roger
Is it a handwritten note? If so I can tell you about the
individual from the handwriting.

Roger

Subject: Re: Re: Suicide note

Hi guys,
Sorry I took so long to reply to all your wonderful posts; I got tangled
with life.

Re: Suicide note

Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 2:55 pm
by Shannon Nelson
In my experience Aurum and nat-m are surprisingly easy to confuse
anyway!
I watched one case which was confidently labelled nat-m (pt didn't seem
like an "aurum type"), but nat-m failed utterly, and aurum worked
"instantly" and lastingly. Shannon
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