Instant cure with Psorinum

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Shannon Nelson
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Re: Instant cure with Psorinum

Post by Shannon Nelson »

Which repertory? In mine, I find Eye pain lachrymal *glands* (staph
only), then Eye pain lachrymal ducts, with acon(2), all-c(2), apis,
Arg-n(3), ars, bell(2), cob, Euphr(3), kali-bi, kali-i, lyc, merc,
nit-ac, nux-v, Puls(3), rhus-t, sulph(2), tab--but no Psor.

Assuming there was more than a single remedy listed in your rep, am I
safe in assuming that the choice was made also on basis of the rest of
the case? Just Curious!!! :-)
Shannon
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Shannon Nelson
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Re: Instant cure with Psorinum

Post by Shannon Nelson »

Hi Chris,
To my way of thinking, experience trumps common sense. Common sense
must be used to *evaluate* experience, but that can't happen unless
experience is allowed at the table. "Common sense" (at least some
people's version) says that a bumble bee can't fly, and homeopathy
can't work. Shall we stop there? :-)

Had I been around for the dispute between Galileo and the Catholic
church (who definitely had the "common sense" of the day on their
side), I like to *think* I would have sided with Galileo at least to
the extent of *looking thru the telescope*. Would you?

What I asked is whether Simon had *tried* it. If he didn't (and since
neither he nor anyone one else offered to lay their own head on the
chopping block) then there is no basis for discussion.
Shannon
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Caro
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Re: Instant cure with Psorinum

Post by Caro »

Hi Shannon,
I didn't use lachrymal glands because those aren't located in the inner
corner of the eye. The pain came from between the nose bridge and the eye so
I used "lachrymal duct". I used Synthesis 9.1. There were three remedies
listed but, yes, off course Psor fit me much better than the other two. I
had other indications for Psorinum, like night sweats for three nights
before Saturday among others:-)
Caro.
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Chris_Gillen
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Re: Instant cure with Psorinum

Post by Chris_Gillen »

Dear Shannon,

Common sense and discernment are surely borne out of humility, practical
experience, and thoughtful contemplation. My personal experience of
homoeopathy is that it has a set of rules and definitions which allows it to
work safely, and cure in the way it predicts.

What I have a real concern about, is the tendency for complacency, and the
WOW factor in adopting fast-tracked short cuts, **without consideration
given to where they will actually lead**.

So, the emphasis I wish to make here, is to please think first about the
consequences of what is being promoted in the name of homoeopathy on the
Lists, and that subjects are presented in a balanced fashion rather than
gleefully exalting the possibility of new and tantalizing shortcuts which
inevitably take us far away from our own purpose.

Psorinum to instantly "stop" ALL acute diseases??? Oh please...surely even
by "beyondhomeopathy" standards that would be an untenable position to hold.

Chris


Shannon Nelson
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Re: Instant cure with Psorinum

Post by Shannon Nelson »

I was looking for discussion, not promotion.
But if no one here has anything further to say about the book or its
subject matter, then there's nothing to discuss anyway.
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Robyn
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Re: Instant cure with Psorinum

Post by Robyn »

Shannon
I seriously doubt that anyone would want to discuss Roger Dyson's method on this list. I have read
his book

He uses, and presumably in his mind successfully, a method that would cause meltdown for some
members on this list :-)

I am only a messanger here I might add.

Here is an exerpt from the book p.149
"In practice we have two main ways of administering remedies for chronic conditions. Thye method we
usually start with, commonly referred to as a 'Mini Programme', is to give the initial remedy -
often Psorinum - descending down over two days; that is one dose eacn of 10M, 1M and 200 at hourly
intervals on the first day followed by one dose each of 30C 12C and 6C potencies at hourly intervals
on the second day. As an example, we would give someone one dose of Psorinum 10M at 6pm, Psorinum 1M
at 7 pm and Psorinum 200C at 8pm on day 1. On the following day they would take Psorinum 30C at 6pm,
12C at 7pm, and 6C at 8pm. We then follow up on the next five days with a dyscrasia remedy e.g.,
Hepar sulph 30C each morning, the indicated remedy in a 30C potency in the middle of each day and an
organ support remedy e.g., Berberis 30C each evening.
Two or four weeks later, depending on the case we will follow up with a similar programme but using
slightly deeper acting remedies. For instnace Tuberculinum may be descended from 10m down to 6C over
the first two days followed on the next five days by a dyscrasia remedy, the same or a related
indicated remedy and a deeper organ remedy such as Kali phos all agian in the 30C potency."

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The second method is called the 'Maxi programme' ----- and I don't think it necessary for me to go
through this.......... unless you would really like me to.

From what I can see, every prescription, whether acute or chronic begins with Psorinum.
I think it would be safe to say that they work on the basis of --- giving a nosode (of which
Psorinum particularly and the other obvious ones are seemingly given eventually in all the
treatments), a dyscrasia remedy (mainly for the barrier to cure of mercury in amalgams, calomel
etc), a drainage remedy (often Berberis, Nux-v, Chelidon etc.) and then a deeper acting, indicated
remedy. There are a group of rems they seem to favour in the latter category, which are Carbo an,
Caust, Hep.sulph (which was given in almost every prescription in the examples in the book) - being
used as a dyscrasia remedy for the constitutional affects caused by mercury and other metals),
Hypericum, Lycopodium, Nux vom, Pulsatilla, Rad brom, Rhus tox (mainly for rheumatic conditions),
Sanicula and the Aqua remedies, Sepia, and Spongia, Symphytum and of course Thuja. However, there is
mention of many mineral rems and others as well.

The last appendix in the book are 4 pages or so of Therapeutics, which they say they do not stick to
but use when the presentation fits

I paid $29 Aussie dollars for this book, and can admit that read through it rather quickly (tis only
160 pages). It is not a method I am familiar with, and not one I am likely to adopt ---- however,
there are some intersting clinical tips that may come in handy some times.

If homoeopathic clinicians share their work with us, I am not going to ignore it just because the
fit is not exact with mine, but will see if there is something there that could be of use to me in
my way of doing things, which will ultimately benefit my patients. There are a few things in this
book that fit that description, so I guess the money spent was not a waste.

Re the comment Simon made, which started this thread ---- well, I could not find that infomation in
the book, that Psorinum is used to treat all inflammations, exactly in that way, on its own,
however, it is clear that Psorinum is the opening prescription in almost every case.
Best
Robyn
If you keep doing what you are doing, you will keep getting what you are getting.


Chris_Gillen
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Re: Instant cure with Psorinum

Post by Chris_Gillen »

Discussion in a balanced fashion, yes. With responsibility taken for what
and how it is said.
Being likened by you, to the medieval church-sanctioned opponents of Galileo
fearfully unwilling to look at the evidence through a telescope is not, in
my view, balanced, or relevant to the discussion. It was an attempt to make
me look prejudiced and closed-minded, when my clear intentions are to
maintain the traditional standpoint in sound homoeopathic practices.

And this is the way it usually goes isn't it? As soon as people make
impassioned pleas to remember our foundation, we are accused by some of
being robotic foot soldiers in the Bumblebee General's army mouthing the
same war chants, attacking and chopping off free-spirited discussions. Or in
"beyondhomeopathy" we're now relegated to those "classicists in meltdown
mode" whose left brained rigidity prevents us from integrating such things
as "multi-split-dose complex prescriptions to clear the blockages in the
third (European, make sure you don't confuse the Eastern) chakra". Oh
well...I least I damned well know which clinical rubric to use for a stroke
patient, and how to administer it responsibly.

Thanks.


Marco Franzreb
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Re: Instant cure with Psorinum

Post by Marco Franzreb »

But which is the point of this book: that every acute disease may be treated with psor initially?
Marco
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Marco Franzreb
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Re: Instant cure with Psorinum

Post by Marco Franzreb »

And besides writing books, this guy cures poeople with his methods of treatment? What about similinum, repertorizing, not messing around with different potencies aso?
Marco
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Robyn
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Re: Instant cure with Psorinum

Post by Robyn »

i will add one thing to the previous post on the treatment of acutes with Psorinum as presented by
Roger Dyson

p. 98

He discusses that if a very acute condition in a patient, it indicates that "the general health has
succumbed and become susceptible to the acute infection, the vitality and possibly the condition
will be improved by the use of a psoric remedy such as Sulphur or Psorinum. Then remedies working on
the acute level such as Belladonna, Aconite and Baptisia may be used; either descending or a few
doses of the 30th potency."
I will also add, that Jean Cole and Dyson, have taken the concept of not giving the same potency to
quite a remarkable depth as well as the 'descending potency' concept. Quote:

"The only allowable exception for an immediate repetition of the same medicine is when the dose of a
well selected and in every way suitable and beneficial remedy has made some beginning toward an
improvement, but its action ceases too quickly, its power is too soon exhasted, and the cure does
not proceed any further. This is rare in chronic diseases, but in acute diseases and chronic
diseases that rise into an acute state it is frequently the case".

I am sure that Roger Dyson believes he is practicing homoeopathy. He may be getting good results.
Does anyone know, or has anyone heard of damage caused by these treatments? He has used the Organon
and Kents clinical cases and teaching as the basis of his method, just as others have done, and
these sources are found in his book with his reasoning.
Robyn
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