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The way I look at it is that nothing 'antidotes' a remedy, but what
can happen is that if a Patient takes a substance that they are
sensitive to then that will affect them, and depending on that effect
it may prevent the Rx from doing its work.

I do in the course of casetaking always ascertain what substances Pxs
are sensitive to, (+ any addiction describes a sensitivity)
So for those that cannot give up their coffee, or their tea, etc we
devise a plan to cut down appropriately, and that is taken into
consideration when deciding on the Rx.

My experience has been that a well prescribed remedy does not get
'antodoted' by things like tea, coffee mint etc, but if it were
considered to be a problem then changing the posology would get
around that.

Simon King,
http://www.Homeopathy-Help.net

Yes, a good subject!
I have one who is consistently antidoted by coffee (not sure if one
coffee does it, but one daily for a while definitely does); I have
twice antidoted myself by dental drilling within the first two weeks,
but after that time--even just a month later--it hasn't. I haven't
seen trouble from mint, and none of the folks I work with use menthol,
so don't know about that. I've also seen antidoting by severe trauma
and severe illness (not moderate trauma or illness), but re-dosing once
the trauma was past, worked fine.

Shannon
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I've been told even DECAF Coffee can antidote Lycopodium.
Chocolate also...
Definitely stress.
Seems like It's not only a personal decision but done on observation
of ones patients.
I just wish for me that there was a clear cut answer but I guess not-
it depends on the person.
Emily
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Decaf is no better than regular, from that standpoint--the "antidoter"
is not the caffeine, but something else in the coffee. For the most
part I agree with Simon, that usually antidoting is not a big issue.
For some people and some substances, tho, it apparently is. Someone on
this list some years ago said she had discovered that her remedy was
consistently antidoted--or, saying it Simon's way , her vital
force was consistently thrown off-track and stopped responding to the
remedy--by the lavender growing in her garden. She said that every
time she dug and weeded in the lavender, her remedy stopped working
(or, her body stopped registering the previous dose of her remedy).

To me it seems reasonable to *ask* if they will stop coffee for a time,
at least until you've established the action of the remedy, and then if
they feel bound and determined to experiment with reintroducing the
coffee, they can. (I've never seen a problem with mint. Chocolate can
antidote? Have you seen that, or ?? Wow, now *that* is bad news!

Shannon
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Popular opinion concurs with my limited experience. I have known remedies
to work after people have taken them IN their coffee, straight after
brushing their teeth etc.

When the action of a remedy IS affected it always seems to be after
something occurring that the person/vital force is not used to or doesn't
appreciate - dental work, unusual smells, accidents, stresses etc.

Shannon's experience is interesting, if I read it correctly, her remedy was
upset by dental work but had more work done soon after and the remedy wasn't
affected - vital force was familiar with the infringement upon it?

After recent posts I am seriously considering a thesis on "Never say Never"
(thanks Simon and Shannon). Some of the "must never's" absolutely intrigue
me, and I can't think of a good reason why such and such should never be
done except that a particular practitioner has had a bad clinical experience
and went on to become a lecturer and spread their glad tidings. That was
one of the "good reasons" I did uncover in trying to understand why
something in 200c should NEVER be used.

Why were coffee, menthol etc put on the "Don't" list? (I'll have to read
Hn's treatise again, I can't remember) but in logic-ing it out, unexpected
trauma (or a milder version thereof) to the vf affecting a remedy makes
sense to me.

But, chocolate, no, no, you can't do that to me, no, good chocolate is
supposed to be good for you, you can't shake my belief system on that one!

Cheers, Elizabeth (Hang on, if I'm used to chocolate, it won't affect the
remedy will it? Woo hoo.)

Oh, and if a patient drinks 20 cups of coffee a day and you ask them to
stop - aren't you going to immediately get a different symptom picture
(which includes stress, withdrawals, hatred of homeopath)?

Elizabeth

decaff coffee is more acidic than non decaff, and considering lyc Sx
it might not be surprising that it could contribute to lyc Sx,
thereby slowing its good work

Simon King,
http://www.Homeopathy-Help.net

just a note on dentistry, if your Px gets unwell again after
dentistry suggest to them that they ask the one witout adrenalin
( the one they usually use inpregnancy, and if that is still a
problem - which it can be in sensitives - ask for 'scandanest' ( the
dentist may need to order it in + I'm not sure how it's spelled) used
instead of the usual anaesthetic) The usual anaestetic contains a
ADRENALIN ( see MM in Boericke) which really can cause problems in
sensitive Px. It is not unusual though for the Px to confuse the
effects of the adrenalin in the anaeasthetic with general 'Dentist
fear'. If Px feels spaced out or untogether after dentirstry this is
also an indicator that it is the anaesthetic that is causing the
probs rather than just any physicaal/emotional trauma associated with
the event.

Simon King,
http://www.Homeopathy-Help.net

The second homeopathic prescription that I took in 1977 (do not know what it was) was for cronic ailments. It was definately antidoted a month and a half later by drinking one cup of coffee. I could hardly believe it. I think that it is more than the caffine in coffee (as I switched to tea - very strong - that has caffine with no side effects that I have noticed). Coffee I have been told has a hundred? chemicals in it that make up the flavor alone, a very complex blend of things - and, alas, very enticing aroma, etc., if one drinks coffee.
Brian

Joy Lucas wrote:
Moot means debatable, to be discussed. A number of homeopaths ask their
clients to routinely refrain from mints and coffee - sometimes they
comply and sometimes they don't and I have seen cures with someone who
drank copious amounts of coffee and many other cases that seem
untouched, even when rx have been prescribed that allegedly are
antidoted by coffee such as Lyc; ledum; lachesis; Colocynth and
countless others, and I was wondering what others might think. Have a
good weekend, Joy

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i have seen 2 antidoting experiences with coffee--1 of them was from
coffee ice cream (Hagendas which brags that they use the real thing).

i have also seen antidoting from emotional stress which was very great.
this woman has just begun w/homeopathy; the rx was working but
within a about 2 weeks she ran into the etiological cause of her condition
and completely reversed.

tanya
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