QUESTION ABOUT POTENCY FOR PETS...

[CLBernat]

Are you an owner of a Petit Basset Griffon Vendeen? I have the breed and treat them with homeopathy. You may contact me off line please. No charge for PBGV owners.

Dr, Carol Stuart

[Heidi]

My childhood dog had beautiful, healthy and unbrushed/uncleaned/untreated teeth till his passing at age 16 yrs.
His food was mediocre (kibble and cooking scraps; but all non-GMO and organic I would guess; both water and air were good).

Our 5 year old dogs now have stained teeth (esp. inside areas). Their food is raw with daily bone chewing and no added carbs except for a little green powder mixed into their foods and whatever a few tablespoons of kefir may bring along. They drink only filtered water.
A neighbor's dog who lived exclusively on a big store brand kibble (probably full with GMOs, pesticides and byproducts; and unfiltered San Diego tap water) had beautiful teeth when he was 5 yrs old.
According to a vet, different breeds have different teeth. Some tend to stay clean, some get 'messed' up. My limited experience with dogs seems to confirm this.

I'm very interested in all ideas to cope with this issue.

Thanks,
Heidi

[Ginny Wilken]

One has to look yet again to the chronic disease load, inherited or generated by vaccines and other mistreatment. While heredity is undoubtedly significant, vaccines can cause tooth damage and discoloration that yields to nothing, along with all the other lifelong issues to which they predispose. So, you will see yellowing and weakness of enamel regardless of the quality of diet in these individuals, and regardless of treatment for chronic issues.

ginny

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Ginny Wilken

gwilken@fastmail.fm

[Irene de Villiers]

But:
* he would have had minimal vaccinations and so he had an immune system.
* And Monsanto's frankenfoods were absent.
* and water was not poisoned with fluoride
* and furniture was not poisoned with bromide for "flammability" excuses.
* and carnivore food was not filled with gut health toxins (teeth are affected by gut health) like fruit, vegetables and herbs.
* and the soils were not yet totally leached of all iodine content by use of chemical fertilizer.

So he would have had a chance to get the correct iodine for the health and strength of both teeth and thyroid.

How much Nori do they get to supply iodine?
How much fluoride and bromide do they get instead?
What toxins are they exposed to, such as ones in the list above.

IODINE is what makes teeth strong.
Flouiorde and bromide are not good substitutes although the body WILL absorb them if ther eis no iodine filling up all the spots needed.

Hyperthyroidism is a huge clue to the problem that iodine was not there and toxins were taken in insteasd.
I think Vicki's dogs ARE indeed suspected of hyperthyroidism.
There's your problem.
"Green powder" is toxic, it is very high in saponins that dogs (as carnivores) have no ability to digest and which are just poisons to carnivores... and that will kill gut flora as well as being toxic to the dog overall. So your dogs on this will have short chain fatty acids with too little butyrate (short chain fatty acids made by healthy gut bacteria) and too much propionate (the acetate is less affected - which sustains life but not health, and which fails to support the immune system and gut health. Those need butyrate.
More toxins.
Plant foods do not belong in dog meals.
But perhaps he had a food with some meat in it and no fruit, veg or herbs (and greens are worst).
GMos might be absent, as rice or wheat is common rather than GMO corn as filler.
His kidneys may have been another matter...
No..... not different breeds. Different diets and different constitutional types can make some difference, and immune system and gut health results of diet.
Vets get the wrong end of the stick as they deal with breeders.
When a breeder has ten examples of a breed, going to the same vet, the animals get the same diet (good or bad) and the same health issues as a result. The vet assumes this is a breed propensity, when it is actually the common environment and food chosen by ONE breeder, and passed on by tghe breeder to the people to whom she sells pups or kittens. "They are used to eating this, recommned that etc...." is considered good form for breeders.
Stop feeding toxins, (no "greens", herbs, fruit, or veg) and plan a healthy gut environment, (1/2 teasp cooked pumpkin a day for absorbable carotene and to feed gut bacteria), no vaccines or dewormers or other gut and immune system destroyers of course. Provide iodine via Nori. (Not kelp as the lignans in kelp are toxic to carnivores.)

Namaste,
Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.Furryboots.info
(Info on Feline health, genetics, nutrition & homeopathy)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[Ginny Wilken]

I think you meant hyPOthyroidism. HyPER- is rare in dogs, and is associated with other gross organ disease. And yes, Vicki's dogs, at least the one, is hypothyroid. We see this a lot in vaccinated and otherwise insulted dogs.

And yes, the "green powder" is a problem, and of no good use. And the kefir is equally ineffective; the sorts of bacteria are not correct, and the body temp and stomach acids do not allow them to flourish.

ginny

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Ginny Wilken

gwilken@fastmail.fm

[Heidi]

Thanks Irene,

Very interesting points!
I'll cut out the powders and see what that does. They don't get any internal toxins other than the puppy vaccines they got at the rescue. Their water is distilled with minerals added back; they get some sea salt. Our/their bed/ding is organic, we have no carpets and they get a lot of exercise. They also get iodine as Lugols. (The kefir they get is raw cows milk based).
My childhood dog certainly was living in a blessed time and place (me too)-shows in my health as well.
Why do you consider cooked pumpkin as the only acceptable veggie for dogs?

Thanks again,

Heidi
But:
* he would have had minimal vaccinations and so he had an immune system.
* And Monsanto' s frankenfoods were absent.
* and water was not poisoned with fluoride
* and furniture was not poisoned with bromide for "flammability& quot; excuses.
* and carnivore food was not filled with gut health toxins (teeth are affected by gut health) like fruit, vegetables and herbs.
* and the soils were not yet totally leached of all iodine content by use of chemical fertilizer.

So he would have had a chance to get the correct iodine for the health and strength of both teeth and thyroid.

How much Nori do they get to supply iodine?
How much fluoride and bromide do they get instead?
What toxins are they exposed to, such as ones in the list above.

IODINE is what makes teeth strong.
Flouiorde and bromide are not good substitutes although the body WILL absorb them if ther eis no iodine filling up all the spots needed.

Hyperthyroidism is a huge clue to the problem that iodine was not there and toxins were taken in insteasd.
I think Vicki's dogs ARE indeed suspected of hyperthyroidism.
There's your problem.
"Green powder" is toxic, it is very high in saponins that dogs (as carnivores) have no ability to digest and which are just poisons to carnivores.. . and that will kill gut flora as well as being toxic to the dog overall. So your dogs on this will have short chain fatty acids with too little butyrate (short chain fatty acids made by healthy gut bacteria) and too much propionate (the acetate is less affected - which sustains life but not health, and which fails to support the immune system and gut health. Those need butyrate.
More toxins.
Plant foods do not belong in dog meals.
But perhaps he had a food with some meat in it and no fruit, veg or herbs (and greens are worst).
GMos might be absent, as rice or wheat is common rather than GMO corn as filler.
His kidneys may have been another matter...
No..... not different breeds. Different diets and different constitutional types can make some difference, and immune system and gut health results of diet.
Vets get the wrong end of the stick as they deal with breeders.
When a breeder has ten examples of a breed, going to the same vet, the animals get the same diet (good or bad) and the same health issues as a result. The vet assumes this is a breed propensity, when it is actually the common environment and food chosen by ONE breeder, and passed on by tghe breeder to the people to whom she sells pups or kittens. "They are used to eating this, recommned that etc...." is considered good form for breeders.
Stop feeding toxins, (no "greens" , herbs, fruit, or veg) and plan a healthy gut environment, (1/2 teasp cooked pumpkin a day for absorbable carotene and to feed gut bacteria), no vaccines or dewormers or other gut and immune system destroyers of course. Provide iodine via Nori. (Not kelp as the lignans in kelp are toxic to carnivores.)

Namaste,
Irene
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[Heidi]

Thanks for the thoughts. As far as I understand, kefir acts as a prebiotic rather than providing live bacteria to the intestine. It worked for me when I had to take 3 weeks of antibiotics (I know, I'm less of a carnivore than dogs, but still and a friend's dog whose skin cleared up after he got kefir added to his food.
Heidi
the body temp and stomach acids do not allow them to flourish.

[Irene de Villiers]

Not any more.
Fluorides in water and dental products, and bromines in can linings, plastics, and fire retardants on furniture - and inappropriate diet with no decentiodine, have caused a huge increase in hyperthyroidism in dogs and even more in cats.
...indeed, very severe disease.
I stand corrected on Vicki's dog, I should have remembered.

Namaste,
Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.Furryboots.info
(Info on Feline health, genetics, nutrition & homeopathy)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[Irene de Villiers]

A good way to avoid fluoride contamination
Why?
It's not normal for carnivores to salt their food
Sea salt is 85% sodium salt, so adding salt, sea salt or otherwise, is salting the food.
Here's another problem.
Lugols is potassium iodide and iodine, which is a strong antibiotic.
Iodine is best supplied from a natural source like Nori.
If you kill the gut bacteria you lose a great deal of health benefit, essential to carnivores.

I am not a kefir expert but know that kefir contains yeasts and lactic acid bacteria (the ones carnivores do not need as they are lactose intolerant anyway) and there is no evidence that yeasts are normal or beneficial flora to carnivores, that I can find. Carnivores would not naturally obtain yeasts, not strongly lactic acid bacteria, as their prey has none in the gut.
Kefir is used to overcome clostridium dificile overgrowth in cattle.
But carnivores actually have high quantities of clostrudium as a normal gut inhabitant.
I am just not convinced that experiemnting with kefir is wise in carnivores at all.

We have known ways to help their gut health, that actually do work.
Not so much as a veggie for dogs as then it would be served in a decent serving size, and what's needed is 1/4 to 1/2 teaspoon for a cat, and in proportion for a dog depending on size..so that is 1% od thevolume of food, hardly significant "vegetable".
But that is all that is needed to be used by their gut bacteria, and they do extract carotene from it.
Dogs (and cats, ferrets etc ) don't eat vegetales as such, being carnivores. They lack digestive equipment for plants.

Namaste,
Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.Furryboots.info
(Info on Feline health, genetics, nutrition & homeopathy)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[Irene de Villiers]

Or was it an antibiotic against clostridium etc?
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.Furryboots.info
(Info on Feline health, genetics, nutrition & homeopathy)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."