I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any more. We, us alternative health people, need to form a political party. Given that so-called health care is supposedly 25% of the American economy, I don't see why this isn't a good idea that could gain some traction. I am sick and tired of being a victim of governmental abuse and tyranny.
I hope someone else has already started moving in this direction. Do you know if there might be such a movement?
Sincerely,
Roger Bird
I've had it.
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Irene de Villiers
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Re: I've had it.
Well Roger,
I agree and am looking for a group to take up some legal cudgels.
My plan is to file suit against the AVMA for trying to create a monopoly to exclude competition from veterinary homeopathy.
This is illegal at Federal and State level, but has no case precendent till now - and a new case has just provided precedent:
The tooth whitening poeple just won their case against the American dental assciation which was trying to make tooth whitening illegal by anyone except a dentist.
The court has ruled that dentists have no reason to control tooth whitening and are trying to do so just to exclude competition, which is illegal, thus they may not control tooth whitening.
MY case has just failed dismally. (WA supreme court ruled that I may not take it further - a shock and surprise to us)
BUT - the recourse is clearly to file suit that the American veterinary association has no valid jurisdiction over the practice of veterinary homeopathy as they try to prevent its use for reasons of competition only and they are NOT in a position to control it when not even a single veterinary school even teaches it. ir They have LESS reson to control veterinary homeopathy than the dental association has to control tooth whitening.
The only excuse for them trying to put veterinary homeopathy under a veterinary medicine umbrella is as for the tooth whiteners - to claim a monopoily to prevent competition - which is an invalid reason by law, now upheld.
We have known this was the case all along - but now we have a court following the rules correctly and upholding that rule.
(It was a stated item in MY case - with the law quoted - but was ignored as often happens when there is no case law - and it would have been brought up in Appeal court had I been allowed to go ahead - with the case law. That has been thwarted.)
SO yes - we need to take homepathy out of the american veterinary arena
THAT can set precedent to do so for human homeopathy.
The latter is legally trickier as they currently list human homeopathy under Human Naturopathy - which is separately licensed in many states (including this one).
So it would be smart to first get veterinary homeopathy separated from veterinary medicine - based on the new precendent setting ruling re tooth whitening (plus the fact they are not qualified to manage veterinary homeopathy not even being uneducated in it) ......THEN get human homeopathy separated from human naturopathy after that, based on the results of veterinary homeopathy separation from veterinary medicine control.
That has a realistic chance of getting somewhere (unlike my just lost case)
We should strike while the iron is hot. I shall use my case and what happened with it, as part of the justification and evidence for filing this new one also. (The entire case plus ridiculously off base judges' decisions show just how incompetent veterinary medicine is on matters of veterinary homepathy management, and how unjust the results are and how effective they are at quashing conpetition - plus that the competition quashing is indeed the motive being used.)
This is what I am working on. What I need is for people to JOIN me with this new case and not sit on their hands, One voice in the wilderness is not enough.
I shall prepare something to file and then will be asking for notarized affidavits in support when the time comes.
Namaste,
Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.Furryboots.info
(Info on Feline health, genetics, nutrition & homeopathy)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
I agree and am looking for a group to take up some legal cudgels.
My plan is to file suit against the AVMA for trying to create a monopoly to exclude competition from veterinary homeopathy.
This is illegal at Federal and State level, but has no case precendent till now - and a new case has just provided precedent:
The tooth whitening poeple just won their case against the American dental assciation which was trying to make tooth whitening illegal by anyone except a dentist.
The court has ruled that dentists have no reason to control tooth whitening and are trying to do so just to exclude competition, which is illegal, thus they may not control tooth whitening.
MY case has just failed dismally. (WA supreme court ruled that I may not take it further - a shock and surprise to us)
BUT - the recourse is clearly to file suit that the American veterinary association has no valid jurisdiction over the practice of veterinary homeopathy as they try to prevent its use for reasons of competition only and they are NOT in a position to control it when not even a single veterinary school even teaches it. ir They have LESS reson to control veterinary homeopathy than the dental association has to control tooth whitening.
The only excuse for them trying to put veterinary homeopathy under a veterinary medicine umbrella is as for the tooth whiteners - to claim a monopoily to prevent competition - which is an invalid reason by law, now upheld.
We have known this was the case all along - but now we have a court following the rules correctly and upholding that rule.
(It was a stated item in MY case - with the law quoted - but was ignored as often happens when there is no case law - and it would have been brought up in Appeal court had I been allowed to go ahead - with the case law. That has been thwarted.)
SO yes - we need to take homepathy out of the american veterinary arena
THAT can set precedent to do so for human homeopathy.
The latter is legally trickier as they currently list human homeopathy under Human Naturopathy - which is separately licensed in many states (including this one).
So it would be smart to first get veterinary homeopathy separated from veterinary medicine - based on the new precendent setting ruling re tooth whitening (plus the fact they are not qualified to manage veterinary homeopathy not even being uneducated in it) ......THEN get human homeopathy separated from human naturopathy after that, based on the results of veterinary homeopathy separation from veterinary medicine control.
That has a realistic chance of getting somewhere (unlike my just lost case)
We should strike while the iron is hot. I shall use my case and what happened with it, as part of the justification and evidence for filing this new one also. (The entire case plus ridiculously off base judges' decisions show just how incompetent veterinary medicine is on matters of veterinary homepathy management, and how unjust the results are and how effective they are at quashing conpetition - plus that the competition quashing is indeed the motive being used.)
This is what I am working on. What I need is for people to JOIN me with this new case and not sit on their hands, One voice in the wilderness is not enough.
I shall prepare something to file and then will be asking for notarized affidavits in support when the time comes.
Namaste,
Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.Furryboots.info
(Info on Feline health, genetics, nutrition & homeopathy)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
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Sheri Nakken
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Re: I've had it.
there is the new Canary Party
http://www.canaryparty.org
and here https://www.facebook.com/TheCanaryParty
and of course there is the Libertarian party
Sheri
At 02:50 AM 5/6/2015, you wrote:
Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath
http://homeopathycures.wordpress.com/ & http://vaccinationdangers.wordpress.com/
ONLINE/Email classes in Homeopathy; Vaccine Dangers; Childhood Diseases
http://www.canaryparty.org
and here https://www.facebook.com/TheCanaryParty
and of course there is the Libertarian party
Sheri
At 02:50 AM 5/6/2015, you wrote:
Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath
http://homeopathycures.wordpress.com/ & http://vaccinationdangers.wordpress.com/
ONLINE/Email classes in Homeopathy; Vaccine Dangers; Childhood Diseases
Re: I've had it.
Sheri,
I became a libertarian of sorts because of this issue. But perhaps the Libertarians aren't focused enough. They probably think that it is just another big government issue, but they themselves personally think that medical doctors are just hunky dory, especially their own. I'll check out the Canary Party. With a name like mine, I'll fit right in. (:->)
Roger Bird
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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 6 May 2015 12:05:43 -0400
Subject: Re: [Minutus] I've had it.
there is the new Canary Party
http://www.canaryparty.org
and here https://www.facebook.com/TheCanaryParty
and of course there is the Libertarian party
Sheri
I became a libertarian of sorts because of this issue. But perhaps the Libertarians aren't focused enough. They probably think that it is just another big government issue, but they themselves personally think that medical doctors are just hunky dory, especially their own. I'll check out the Canary Party. With a name like mine, I'll fit right in. (:->)
Roger Bird
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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 6 May 2015 12:05:43 -0400
Subject: Re: [Minutus] I've had it.
there is the new Canary Party
http://www.canaryparty.org
and here https://www.facebook.com/TheCanaryParty
and of course there is the Libertarian party
Sheri
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Sheri Nakken
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- Joined: Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:00 pm
Re: I've had it.
yes you will - perfect for Mr. Bird.
Yes, I know the Libertarians aren't focused enough
Canary, coal mine, is the implication
Sheri
At 02:21 PM 5/6/2015, you wrote:
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Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath
http://homeopathycures.wordpress.com/ & http://vaccinationdangers.wordpress.com/
ONLINE/Email classes in Homeopathy; Vaccine Dangers; Childhood Diseases
Yes, I know the Libertarians aren't focused enough
Canary, coal mine, is the implication
Sheri
At 02:21 PM 5/6/2015, you wrote:
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Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath
http://homeopathycures.wordpress.com/ & http://vaccinationdangers.wordpress.com/
ONLINE/Email classes in Homeopathy; Vaccine Dangers; Childhood Diseases
Re: I've had it.
The American Kennel Club was also successfully sued by a handler it had suspended for no good reason and without due process. As a result, the AKC is no longer in the business of licensing handlers. My former husband and I also nearly put them out of the business of registering dogs when they tried to withhold papers on a litter of purebred pups for no valid reason (other than pressure from an unscrupulous breeder who was trying to extort money from the pups' owners).
I'd suggest contacting the anti-trust division of the Justice Department. Not to mention the ACLU.
Peace,
Dale
I'd suggest contacting the anti-trust division of the Justice Department. Not to mention the ACLU.
Peace,
Dale
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Fran Sheffield
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Re: I've had it.
Didn't the Canary Party turn out to be a waste of time - a pseudo-activism group that sides with pharmaceutical interests?
I may have my groups mixed up so I'm asking a question rather than making a statement.
fran.
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I may have my groups mixed up so I'm asking a question rather than making a statement.
fran.
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Sheri Nakken
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- Joined: Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:00 pm
Re: I've had it.
no, I don't think so - the party came out of the autism community and here is the latest
http://www.canaryparty.org/
Sheri
At 05:58 PM 5/6/2015, you wrote:
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Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath
http://homeopathycures.wordpress.com/ & http://vaccinationdangers.wordpress.com/
ONLINE/Email classes in Homeopathy; Vaccine Dangers; Childhood Diseases
http://www.canaryparty.org/
Sheri
At 05:58 PM 5/6/2015, you wrote:
________________________________
Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath
http://homeopathycures.wordpress.com/ & http://vaccinationdangers.wordpress.com/
ONLINE/Email classes in Homeopathy; Vaccine Dangers; Childhood Diseases
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Fran Sheffield
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Re: I've had it.
After jogging my memory I remembered a comment I read about the Canary Party in a recent Bolen report that made me wonder: http://www.bolenreport.com/autism/antiv ... 20yes6.htm
Not sure if Bolen is correct but interested to know the truth.
Fran
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Not sure if Bolen is correct but interested to know the truth.
Fran
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Re: I've had it.
Well, I read over their mission statement and it was vague enough to be able to fit a pharmaceutical agenda trying to remain hidden. But that does not mean that it is a hidden pharmaceutical front group. I'm just saying that it could be. I would prefer something with a little more moxie. Like I said, I am sick and tired of the lies, intimidation, and possibly worse.
Roger Bird
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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 7 May 2015 07:58:50 +1000
Subject: Re: [Minutus] I've had it.
Didn't the Canary Party turn out to be a waste of time - a pseudo-activism group that sides with pharmaceutical interests?
I may have my groups mixed up so I'm asking a question rather than making a statement.
fran.
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Roger Bird
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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 7 May 2015 07:58:50 +1000
Subject: Re: [Minutus] I've had it.
Didn't the Canary Party turn out to be a waste of time - a pseudo-activism group that sides with pharmaceutical interests?
I may have my groups mixed up so I'm asking a question rather than making a statement.
fran.
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