Legislation as a danger to homeopathy-point of view

[Gisela Ahrendt]

Sorry Dr. J - I am not that often on this group and did not know you are in NZ - please tell us what you do and how you are doing it - we definitely need some help as you can see. However I do agree with you the chances that we will succeed are not good - I am from Germany living in USA - and I am appalled at the lethargic political behavior of the americans, it has not always been like this , but I guess it seems like every body is giving up. That is exactly what politicians WANT get elected by the people who pay for them (big money) and forget about the rest - as one said they are only consumers.
Well I like to show them what the consumers will be capable of.
Gisela
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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2015 12:55:44 +1300
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Legislation as a danger to homeopathy-point of view
The action plan in NZ is running, thank you very much; it is grass root oriented with local politicians engaged when needed.

What do you want me or someone else from the other side of the world to do for you guys when you cannot even control your own locally elected politicians. You have absolutely no idea what we do, or what Fran and the Aussie homeopaths do.

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.

"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"

www.naturamedica.co.nz
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[Vicki Satta]

Gisela: the White House (IMO) is as corrupt as the rest of them. Don't forget: Obama is the guy asking for FAST TRACK for TPP. You need to understand TPP... go to democracynow.org and google TPP. It's shocking what this will do if it is allowed to become a legal trade agreement.

There is a way to get to the White House, but it's a waste of time in my opinion. Our connect is the FDA and the commissioner. The path is direct. We need to push through hundereds of thousands of comments. Maria gave all of the information in her message. But we need a real plan, and that is to find out if the national homeopathy (don't know the name) organization is organizing. If they are we follow their lead. If they aren't, then we need to make a plan and move quickly.

Vicki
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[Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD]

Our laws are different, we are under British Common Law where anything is allowed unless it is restricted, and then it is flexible.
For example, unless you are registered as a conventional MD or a conventional Osteopath, you cannot call your self a Medical Doctor or an Osteopath...but you can still carry the title Dr. if you have a doctorate even though you cannot prescribe conventional drugs or do certain forms of manipulations (neck adjustments are hunted by osteopaths, the rest falls under naturopathic manual medicine and nobody cares).

Despite serious opposition and some public comments and letters to editors in the papers denigrating homeopathy (and others), it is a legal profession with only voluntary registration and the students in our colleges can receive Student Loans like those in Universities. Apparently this goes to the point that we cannot (!) be officially recognised/state registered because we cannot demonstrate that it has to be done for public safety as we cannot demonstrate that there is a risk for the public.....herbalists and naturopaths might soon be registered OTOH.

Even though the Green Party has flatly abandoned us, the focus here is, as you wrote, upon freedom of choice and informed consent. Some vocal members of the public have written that "this form of quackery should be banned", but when it comes to practical solutions, we are so far pretty much left alone....we stay vigilant though, seeing what has happened in Australia.

Basically, you are right, the fight is not only for homeopathy but for individual freedom, that should be the focus.

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.

"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"

www.naturamedica.co.nz
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[Hennie Duits]

In this US issue, is it known where (*exactly and incontestably*) this
is coming from? (Because it helps to know who/what you are up against..)

Hennie

'Dr. J Rozencwajg, NMD' jroz@ihug.co.nz [minutus] schreef op 3-4-2015 om
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[Victoria Mashevsky]

I do think that this recent assault by FDA on homeopathy is connected to anti-vaccine movement. It did not take them long to figure out that most who do not vaccinate rely on homeopathy.

[Irene de Villiers]

From the FDA, who are run by the drug comnpanies and Monsato.

.....Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.Furryboots.info
(Info on Feline health, genetics, nutrition & homeopathy)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[Roger B]

Unfortunately, since homeopathy is not a material art but rather an energetic art, and most people, including politicians, think that you are a nut case for believing in subtle energetics, we are sort of at a disadvantage and have been for the past 220 years. I just had some cretin remind me that he could not see "vital force". I forget to remind him that he could not see "dark energy" or "dark matter".

Roger Bird
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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2015 09:17:50 +1100
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Legislation as a danger to homeopathy-point of view

Dear all,

My experience is that homeopathic organisations, by their very nature, tend to appease or deflect attacks and conflict - and the higher the source of those attacks, the more they readily they appease and it is to the detriment of our profession and practices - it has led to us losing ground.

Associations and organisations HAVE to be proactive in this matter and step in to protect those who speak strongly on behalf of homeopathy rather than helping to push them under the bus so that a "problem" "goes away." This approach is short-sighted and costs us dearly. It buys peace for a short time but the cost of that peace is enormous.

Medical homeopaths (I'm sorry guys and gals), cannot be go-to people for what homeopaths should and shouldn't, can and can't do UNLESS they can demonstrate they are not speaking with a conflict of interest. For most Western medical homeopaths, their first loyalty has to be to their allopathic professional body if they want to retain their registration and so they have to fall in line with association's position statements and code of practices. This has been seen repeatedly in the area of homeoprophylaxis, for instance, irrespective of what evidence is available or how many people will suffer if they use weasel-words or avoid the truth. Our professional and community associations have to speak out strongly and forcibly reject statements by medical homeopaths that weaken our practices and stop giving them defacto authority in this area (I love medical homeopaths - more power to you - but please don't act as the voice of homeopathy when there is an obvious conflict of interest - defer to the).

Finally, note the negative Australian NHMRC statement on the evidence for homeopathy is being and will continue to be used as leverage against homeopathy around the world (as it is in this US situation) so it would be wise to be familiar with the shamefully flawed process by which the investigation was conducted.
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[Lu Ann Weis]

Interesting parallels.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone

[Irene de Villiers]

or magnetism or xrays or gammaknife radiation or microwaves fort cooking or making his cellphone and TV work, or the electricity the guy pays real money to get into his house.

....Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.Furryboots.info
(Info on Feline health, genetics, nutrition & homeopathy)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[Roger B]

True, but the indirect evidence for dark matter and dark energy is extremely esoteric and extremely difficult to observe and may be untrue or have other or better explanations, whereas the indirect evidence for magnetism can break your skin and cause bleeding, which I almost did with some neodymium iron boron magnets I just received in the mail recently.

(:->)

Roger Bird
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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2015 03:49:26 -0700
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Legislation as a danger to homeopathy-point of view
or magnetism or xrays or gammaknife radiation or microwaves fort cooking or making his cellphone and TV work, or the electricity the guy pays real money to get into his house.

....Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.Furryboots.info
(Info on Feline health, genetics, nutrition & homeopathy)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."