Let me ask again...

[Carol Orr]

If there is a return of an old symptom but with completely different
modalities....is it really an old symptom or is it a new symptom? As in a
migraine that starts at a completely different time and on the opposite side
of the head.

[Shannon Nelson]

If the changes are that distinct, I would think likely a new symptom.
Is this something that happened after a dose(s) of remedy?

Also, return of an old symptom -- as we generally talk about it -- would happen in context of an overall health which has improved. Is that the case here?

[Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD]

IMO, a symptom or sign is never fully expressed without its modalities (and concomitants), therefore if any part of it changes, yes it is a new one.

You give the example of migraine, which in itself is a very vague term that needs definition and explanation by the patient; but let's say the complaint is pulsating headache.

The original complaint/symptom could be related to food sensitivity for example; OK, so the offending food has been removed; now another pulsating headache comes up...the modalities being different, the remedy will probably be different, even if you deal only with a symptomatic/palliative treatment. The real origin of the symptom/complaint might need a completely different approach....but you know that very well.

In short, an "old" symptom with different modalities is not a return of old symptoms but the emergence of a new presentation on the background of a sensitised organ/system that will be the first to react.

Does that make sense?

Joe.

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.

"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"

www.naturamedica.co.nz

[Leilanae]

Hi Carol,
35 years ago
took thuya and then tub and quit getting migraines.

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Two years ago
I had a migraine in the morning/maybe evening which seemed to be related to the barometric pressure changing dramatically.
In general:
HEAD: PAIN, headache; weather; change of <

Right side

Morning/maybe evening??????

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30 days ago, remedy ?????
***********need to know the remedy and potency as this may be affecting the expression of the symptoms.

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Today
Then I got one today in the morning for six hours, only now on the left side instead of right.
In general:
HEAD PAIN, headache; weather change of<

Left side

Morning

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Full current case needs to be taken.
HEAD; PAIN, headache, weather; change of< or similar rubic may be “a cause”

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ZINC
(I took zinc for the visual

disturbances which would come without the migraine and starting getting occasional abdominal contractions instead.
I knew they were related to the migraines in some way because I would get a metallic taste in my mouth with the cramp.
*******Zinc has side effects of metalic taste in mouth and abdominal pain, especially on an empty stomach.)
*******Was metalic taste in mouth a symptom of the migraines?
***********IF metalic taste in mouth is a current symptom, include in the rep.
Atb,
Leilanae

[Ellen Madono]

Will Taylor puts and more important Boenninghausen valued modalities way above location (your head for your headache). So, a change in modalities would ask for a change of remedies. Very smart question.

Ellen
Ellen Madono

[Ananda Ruchira]

Hi Carol

you wrote

In my opinion it could just be a type of "hering's law" thing going
on. that the sx has changed place and is on the move.

Not particularly a new sx but the same problem that is on the move.
(tho I wouldn't know in this case if it was a + or a - direction.)

in the case of headaches, incl migraines - Headaches are "secondary"
sx - that is, a result of something else that's primary- eg
indigestion, nervousness, tumour. etc.

It would seem to me that the primary & original cause - exciting or
maintaining - hasn't been cleared fully and so then returns or relapses.

Does it seem particularly likely that if the orig, primary cause was
truly cleared, that a whole new headache "disease" would start from
an entirely different "primary"?
(eg - she got the first round of H/A from indigestion, and supposedly
you cleared it. Now she's got a new disease from... what?... )

so my advice - revisit the reasons behind the headache.

Didi

[Carol Orr]

Thanks for the insightful/helpful answers. Homeopath still won't tell me the
remedy but I asked the potency and it was the first time that the homeopath
had given me a 200c. I must tell you I've been suffering a lot in the last
month. The fact that there was a return of a two year old symptom is I suppose
a good sign but I'd rather die than go through that again. I was asked about
my well being. I'd say that the last month I've spent an inordinate amount of
time reading up on stuff on the internet about the history of my
ancestors(Scots-Irish) and so have spent a great deal of time in my head. I
have also thought just about every day that I'm having a heart attack and
guessed that she must have given me Kali-ars. I haven't gotten angry or
frustrated by my husband and that is very unusual. I think I would feel better
if I could yell at him now and then. I have told her about the Fibonacci
series and next time I'm going to insist on it. I have no idea if I'm coming
or going. It has been over a month and she is not anxious to find another
remedy...wants to wait and see. I also feel like I look ten years old when I
look in the mirror. 200c must be a major physical detoxer and I feel it might
lead to my early death.

Interesting about the metallic taste...in the migraines of 30 years ago...it
was always in the morning This time it was during the migraine and I could
only eat popsicles the rest of the day, Yes, a completely different symptom
than 30 years ago.

[Maria Bohle]

Modalities are the symptoms of the patient not symptoms of the disease itself. If you have changed the modalities would change.

[Irene de Villiers]

A new symptom.
Likely the cause is different, nd the remedy needed is usually related to the cause.

Namaste,
Irene
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P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
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[Irene de Villiers]

I would not go near such a person.
(It's very likely illegal as well)

Irene

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P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
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(Info on Feline health, genetics, nutrition & homeopathy)
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