OT - killing cancer with viruses

[John R. Benneth]

The following essay by Carmi Hazen is a very coherent preface into what for me appears to be an amazing insight into what cancer really is. It is the first time I've read an explanation of cancer that makes any sense.

In a message dated 3/11/2015 1:54:38 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Carmi Hazen minutus@yahoogroups.com writes:
After seeing the documentary about MD Anderson using the measles virus to destroy tumors, in context of
Hahnemann's observations of measles, I've speculated that measles and similar diseases such as smallpox, like tumors, are also mechanisms used by the body to deal with toxins and garbage, and that a virus (meaning venom) is actually the digestive agent of a cryptogen, perhaps bacterium, and what we see as symptomatic disease is a clearing mechanism?
Kent writes about how autopsies have revealed that some people, riddled with internal tumors, lived long lives, and that treatment with too high a potencies in some remedies like hepar, or sulfur could "cut like razors" causing tumors to suppurate and poison the patient to death.
Perhaps by accolade I am running the risk of humbling or scaring Hazen into silence, but this is the second time I've noticed something brilliant from this writer and encourage more.
Who is Carmi Hazen?
John Benneth

[Shannon Nelson]

I agree there is are a lot of interesting and useful ideas here -- and as Carmi I know will be quick to agree, she's not the originator or only proponent (I know that others on this list have spoken of similar, though less fully and eloquently than this piece).

The nugget here that I find especially valuable, is that a healthy body *does* have means of controlling (preventing) pathological tumors, i.e. of preventing and curing its own cancers. Another way this has been said (and I think it comes to the same thing), is that the disease we call cancer is basically an immune system malfunction; it's a failure within the body's self-regulatory mechanisms. Those self-regulatory capacities are supported by good and adequate nutrition (food, air, water), and impaired by toxins (which can be exogenous / coming from the outside, and/or endogenous / being formed from the inside).

It's for these reasons that cancer is being cured by many people, through many means. There are naturopaths doing it, via cleansing, herbs, special diets, and etc. And contrary to someone's comment, there are homeopaths regularly doing it (though for legal reasons none in the US had better make the claim) via various prescribing approaches; there are individuals working out their own cures using the basic principals of detoxification and rebuilding. And other methods I am certain. No method can possibly cure every cancer or every person, but there are many possible paths.

Shannon

[healthinfo6]

The tumor forms an artificial environment much like the sealed vessels utilized to breakdown sanitary sewage or that functionality found in compost piles. The lack of oxygen tension at the proper pressure triggers hypoxia and as the cells die, pl eomorphic fungi morph from yeasts which develop hyphae or tentacles which plunge into the organic matter and release digestive enzymes that erode the tissue and return it to its essential components.

In the current issue of What Doctors Don't Tell You, http://bit.ly/1B9dJTV
an article about how to naturally treat/prevent cancer suggests taking pancreatic enzymes, especially Wobenzym, a German formula sold in the USA as Wobenzym N as a preventative.
Eating foods that lack enzymes, destroying enzymes by cooking, having a genetic predisposition for cancer are reasons why the author recommends.
He gives to his cancer patients up to 12 per day.
It is also considered anti-inflammatory and many take for overall health.
Susan

[Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD]

No, you are right, I just thought it was an interesting concept about the emergence of cancer as related to a polluted (at all levels) society, which reinforces the practice of focusing on removing external factors and not only on the internal treatment of patients.
In other words, even when we can restore the normal, healthy function of a patient we must then focus on teaching him/her to avoid the assaults that become more and more powerful and insidious.

Joe.

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.

"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"

www.naturamedica.co.nz
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[Tanya Marquette]

It’s those darn maintaining causes that get in our way!
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[Irene de Villiers]

Wow, you sure know how to add one and one and get 3.6598
The two of you need to stop inventing nonexistent ideas (like pleomporphic fungus) from incorrect assumptions (such as why vand hoiw viruses are used in cancer research) and using them to develop further fictional anomalies (which really coudl not be more far fetched.

I strongly recommend you both study some 21st century biology knowledge.
Carmi is still stuck in what people thought they saw a century ago before microscopes were good enough to resolve the difference between a bacterial spore and the bacterium containing it. There is no "pleomorphing" anything out there. Some bacteria (like E coli) DO make internal spores (called endospores) which are hard to kill. To early microscope users, they LOOKED like pleomorphs. It's 2015 guys. Look down a CURRENT microscope!
Quit making new fiction from old pleomorph fiction.
Building on quicksand will not get you a good structure.

Your current misperceptions include the fiction that viruses in the current cancer research have anything to do with their viral origins in terms of pathological effects. Read more careflly guys. They are only being used for their cell entry mecanism, nothing more. More quicksand.

You are claiming that quicksand plus quicksand equals a strong foundation for your new theory.
There's no leg to stand on there.
You are just using a range of misperceptions to come up with a new fiction.
Publish it that way if you wish, do not pretend it is real.

Namaste,
Irene

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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.Furryboots.info
(Info on Feline health, genetics, nutrition & homeopathy)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[Sheri Nakken]

and Irene continues to think she knows it all........
At 06:44 PM 3/12/2015, you wrote:

[Irene de Villiers]

If that was true I would know why people like you get enjoyment from being ugly.

......Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.Furryboots.info
(Info on Feline health, genetics, nutrition & homeopathy)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[comdyne2002]

My last post didn't stick. I'll try again.

Pleomorphism

Pleomorphism
Pleomorphism in Human Body -Mystical Science Pt6, Microorganisms & Pleomorphism by Samantha Bachman, Pleomorphism, Pleomorphism, pleomorp...
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Caveat Emptor! Carmi Hazen

[comdyne2002]

Here are some examples of pleomorphism: Again Irene, we disagree.

Pleomorphism

Pleomorphism
Pleomorphism in Human Body -Mystical Science Pt6, Microorganisms & Pleomorphism by Samantha Bachman, Pleomorphism, Pleomorphism, pleomorp...
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Caveat Emptor! Carmi Hazen

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...sand plus quicksand equals a strong foundation for your new theory.
There's no leg to stand on there. You are just using a range of misperceptions to come up with a new fiction.
Publish it that way if you wish, do not pretend it is real.

Namaste,
Irene

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