Ethical issue needing clarification remember Steve Jobs

[Angela McGuire]

This is what led to Steve Jobs' demise. He waited too long before opting for the one thing hat could have saved him in time.

If it is not too radical and large a tumor, try the surgery. Use homeopathics later. Homeopathics usually take a long time to remedy a condition.

Angie

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[Tanya Marquette]

I am finding numerous people will have the tumors removed but refuse the chemo and radiation.

I feel that while homeopathy is critical, diet may be even more critical. The dietary changes required
can be quite radical for many people and it will take time for them to absorb these changes. If you
are not in a position to guide them thru this change, help find someone who is strongly holistic and will
work with you on both the nutritional and homeopathic fronts.

t

[Mary Ann Gilmore]

Hi Tanya,

I agree that diet is more important and always recommend and help adjust those changes first. In this lady's case, her brother assures me that she is a vegetarian, non dairy and has been for three or four years. He even told me that only one person in their extended family has had cancer and she wonders if it is related to some environmental issue and she does not smoke, is not overweight, which I feel is why her energy level even after surgery is good. He has not suggested I work with her but has asked me to advise him since he is my client. I do not agree that vegetarianism is the best diet but I do know that it is much healthier than the typical American diet. She eats almost no sugar, white flour, etc. from what he told me. I also know that the western model for family responsibilities and individualism clearly weighs in on the side of the individual but other cultures have other views about this. This is why I thought it would be a good time for this thought experiment but as of yet have seen nothing to change my mind.

Thanks for your input.
Mary Ann Gilmore
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From: "Tanya Marquette tamarque@earthlink.net [minutus]"
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2015 9:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Ethical issue needing clarification remember Steve Jobs
I am finding numerous people will have the tumors removed but refuse the chemo and radiation.

I feel that while homeopathy is critical, diet may be even more critical. The dietary changes required
can be quite radical for many people and it will take time for them to absorb these changes. If you
are not in a position to guide them thru this change, help find someone who is strongly holistic and will
work with you on both the nutritional and homeopathic fronts.

t

[Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD]

We have a former Leukaemia patient (not mine....) who is walking from Auckland to Wellington to rise funds and awareness, and shame the oncologists.

He convinced somehow the people in charge to give him high doses of IV vitamin C then treated himself with juicing and supplements. He has been given a clean bill of health, leukaemia is completely gone....of course the conventional people say it is only a remission...

This is the real grass-root movement where cured patients go public and make a lot of noise....

Joe.

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.

"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"

www.naturamedica.co.nz
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[Mary Ann Gilmore]

Hi Joe,

Thanks for the experience. I actually forwarded it so that it could be passed on to his sister as a suggestion and encouragement. Very helpful.

I also feel that the conversation surrounding patient has a tremendous effect, because even in the case of many who have had stage IV and used just Essiac have had remissions which I also suggested.
Mary Ann Gilmore

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From: "'Dr. J Rozencwajg, NMD' jroz@ihug.co.nz [minutus]"
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 6, 2015 12:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Ethical issue needing clarification remember Steve Jobs
We have a former Leukaemia patient (not mine....) who is walking from Auckland to Wellington to rise funds and awareness, and shame the oncologists.

He convinced somehow the people in charge to give him high doses of IV vitamin C then treated himself with juicing and supplements. He has been given a clean bill of health, leukaemia is completely gone....of course the conventional people say it is only a remission...

This is the real grass-root movement where cured patients go public and make a lot of noise....

Joe.

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.

"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"

www.naturamedica.co.nz
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[Roger B]

Joe et. al.,

In groupthink, people sometimes invent trash bins to toss enigmas and give them labels like "remission". The purpose for this is that this gives them an excuse to avoid thinking too deeply about the enigma and perhaps, God forbid, having to question their own fundamentals. One thing that I have learned in BOLD with my cold fusion, spirituality, and alternative health "studies" is that many people get very uncomfortable when their assumptions and fundamentals are questioned. They call it cognitive dissonance. In religion, some people will actually KILL you if you question their fundamentals. In health matters, they will violate your parental rights/obligations and even talk about putting you in jail if you have a belief that is outside of the mainstream.

So, they invent these categories like remission, kook, infidel, climate deniers, tea-baggers, true believers, left wingers, right wingers, losertarians, etc. This way they don't have to think outside of their security zone.

Roger Bird
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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2015 19:03:58 +1300
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Ethical issue needing clarification remember Steve Jobs
We have a former Leukaemia patient (not mine....) who is walking from Auckland to Wellington to rise funds and awareness, and shame the oncologists.

He convinced somehow the people in charge to give him high doses of IV vitamin C then treated himself with juicing and supplements. He has been given a clean bill of health, leukaemia is completely gone....of course the conventional people say it is only a remission...

This is the real grass-root movement where cured patients go public and make a lot of noise....

Joe.

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"
www.naturamedica.co.nz

[Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD]

My pleasure.

I do believe this is the way we are going to emerge, through the grass-root system....and I would encourage every practitioner to ask their patients to go public, and especially put it under their GPs' noses.

When it does not come from lunatic tree-huggers like myself but as personal experiences with no possible other gain than sharing, it is a lot more powerful and cannot be denied.

Joe.

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.

"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"

www.naturamedica.co.nz
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[Tanya Marquette]

I do agree but the backlash is severe from the medical industry. Just look at what is going on regarding vaccines.
Even progressive political sites are regularly posting pro-vaccine articles and I was muzzled for criticizing an article-
quite literally my post was removed and called a lie!!!! The trolls are many.

I recall the video on the man mentioned below. He was not even given that high a dose of Vit C. It was a big battel
to give hm 2500 mg/Vit C not frequently enough and when they moved him, the new hospital refused totally. Can’t recall
how the family dealt with that refusal but he began to get much lower doses but he still improved.

Some doctors will open somewhat but wont actively embrace homeopathy or even nutrition. But we do need to
engage the users of homeopathy, etc. To always remember silence is interpreted by those who hold the power.

t
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[Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD]

It is indeed simpler in NZ, although still a fight....the patient has full control on his treatment and the right to chose what he wants to do with himself.

Under legal threat, hospitals will eventually give in....the more it is made public knowledge, the less they have a stand to refuse; and it becomes easier to find a GP who will prescribe the high doses and administer them in his office (GP needs legally to be present).

And then paradoxically, medicinal cannabis is not allowed at all....go figure.......

Joe.

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.

"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"

www.naturamedica.co.nz
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[Tanya Marquette]

Well, there is the principle of indvidual differences on a medcial political level.
But beware the creeping Codex which seeks to level it all world wide.

t
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