Only that one subspecies, Trepanoma pallidum pertenue, which causes yaws, is found in baboons, gorillas, and chimpanzees, and that several subspecies (the ones causing syphilis, yaws, and bejel) are known to exist in at least one non-human ape: wild olive baboons, Papio anubi).
That doesn't particularly help in resolving the conjecture as to syphilis's origin in the New World, though, as humans are (as far as I know) the only apes to have been there by the fifteenth century.
Cheers!
John
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Re: syphilinum
I'm not sure what was in the books but I now remember I did do a little research and while I could find evidence that what I had been told was correct but I couldn't find or read copies of the original books so don't know what was in them ... but that was years ago and with many old books now being copied and archived on the net / cloud, they may now be found ... when I have time.
Probably the facial changes were the same we recognise under Syphilinum - assymetrical features, deformities, cupped teeth, bobble nose, etc.
Probably the facial changes were the same we recognise under Syphilinum - assymetrical features, deformities, cupped teeth, bobble nose, etc.
Re: syphilinum
of course not, i'm not talking about all syphilitic irregularities. i was responding to (somebody's?) comment that when you have syphilitic facial irregularities in an adult, already formed, it would be tough to fix that, with homeopathy. i'm speculating that even tho there are some fixed - more or less- aspects to the appearance, like cartilage and bone - they are also enhanced by muscular tension, and those changes can be seen after just a few months of treatment.
From: "Shannon Nelson shannonnelson@tds.net [minutus]"
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 8:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Minutus] syphilinum
But to have severe irregularities in an infant, even a fetus? How could muscular effects be the cause there? In some cases the irregularity is in the skull itself; I don't think the scalp has muscles strong enough to conceivably deform the skull, would it?
Surely it's not primarily muscles that guide fetal structural development?
From: "Shannon Nelson shannonnelson@tds.net [minutus]"
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 8:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Minutus] syphilinum
But to have severe irregularities in an infant, even a fetus? How could muscular effects be the cause there? In some cases the irregularity is in the skull itself; I don't think the scalp has muscles strong enough to conceivably deform the skull, would it?
Surely it's not primarily muscles that guide fetal structural development?
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Re: syphilinum
for some reason it wont let me add to my previous thread so I have to ask here....
What types of fears does syphilinum have other than health germ dirt related fears.
also when it is said it is self destructive, can that mean when a person does not have confidence or like their appearance?
What types of fears does syphilinum have other than health germ dirt related fears.
also when it is said it is self destructive, can that mean when a person does not have confidence or like their appearance?
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Re: syphilinum
Bones are not fixed, rigid structures, they are extremely active metabolically and respond well to stimulation....but the major stimulus for bones is tension/pressure, meaning mechanical stimulation.
My own example: childhood, teenager and early adulthood, I was in the situation of genu valgus (knock knees) with at least 1.5 fist between the knees, testified by the way the heels of my shoes became worn. Then I started getting into strenuous physical exertion, 2-3 hours almost every day....there were inevitable breaks caused by life, but I am still at 1-2 hours 4-5 days a week: my legs are straight, barely 1 finger between my knees, heels are now wearing almost equally.
Nevertheless, I do believe that this was helped a lot by my continuous experimentations with remedies on myself, creating a situation of more dynamic metabolism (even with non indicated remedies!) than would have existed with only exercise or only remedies.
Another excellent example is orthodontic treatments that work equally well in adults, albeit slower; and here there is also the additional stimulation of chewing...add to that some appropriate remedies and it would be possible to accelerate the changes.
Scoliosis with remedies AND repeated adjustments....another one, one single example in my practice and I did not do the adjustments myself.
For face correction, I have no experience but I would use the remedy/ies and often repeated cranio-sacral adjustments.
As long as you deal with living tissues, changes are possible....extreme patience might be needed, though.
Joe.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"
www.naturamedica.co.nz
My own example: childhood, teenager and early adulthood, I was in the situation of genu valgus (knock knees) with at least 1.5 fist between the knees, testified by the way the heels of my shoes became worn. Then I started getting into strenuous physical exertion, 2-3 hours almost every day....there were inevitable breaks caused by life, but I am still at 1-2 hours 4-5 days a week: my legs are straight, barely 1 finger between my knees, heels are now wearing almost equally.
Nevertheless, I do believe that this was helped a lot by my continuous experimentations with remedies on myself, creating a situation of more dynamic metabolism (even with non indicated remedies!) than would have existed with only exercise or only remedies.
Another excellent example is orthodontic treatments that work equally well in adults, albeit slower; and here there is also the additional stimulation of chewing...add to that some appropriate remedies and it would be possible to accelerate the changes.
Scoliosis with remedies AND repeated adjustments....another one, one single example in my practice and I did not do the adjustments myself.
For face correction, I have no experience but I would use the remedy/ies and often repeated cranio-sacral adjustments.
As long as you deal with living tissues, changes are possible....extreme patience might be needed, though.
Joe.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"
www.naturamedica.co.nz
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Re: syphilinum
I can add an experience with bone. My older son fell three floors onto concrete at age twn landing on one foot, which smithereened ad folded in half. (For exampe cuboid bone in 7 pieces)
After much persuation I got the surgeons to knit the bits together with fine wire, resulting in a more or less foot shaped mass of bone with some growth plates still active also some toes, others not.
Ligamets etc all stretched out of any usefulness and we needed to wait till the foot stopped growing at age 16 to see what was what - what would grow and what would not - and decide what to do, depending what growth plates were smashed or active.
Meantime, I figured some custom leather boots with custom arch supports, greadually changing the supports as the foot grew in places, so one could persuade the foot into a more suitable shape, and allow it to catch up to the stretched ligaments so that they could again become effective and maintain and arch, and reshape the foot which had a weird splatted out shape. He started with a negative arch adn curver foot and by age 16 he had the same arch he started out with and the foot had toes pointing the right way more or less rather than to the side, no more curved mess.
A very nice surgical fix was then done to lengthen metatarsals that had not grown to make them the same length as the two that did grow, and to replace the toe which was turning 90 degrees back to a straight one. The lengthening bone was taken from the central lump of fused bone which was by this method unfused and able to have some flexibility again and the result was that he now has a new full size functional foot. The original prognosis and suggestion was to leave it alone and hope he had a club of some sort to hobble on.
The gradual movement of the mostly fused bone mess into a foot shape was due to gradual pressure from cutom made leather boots which I redid every three months, to rehape the foot completely, and the way the ankle held it, making it possible to finish the job with some very neat surgical intervention after 6 years. You would not see a limp at all if you saw the guy now.
The bone lengthening was done this way:
Each metatarsal (looks a bit like a mini femur shape) was cut halfway from outside to center, just under the top knob and above the bottom "knob" and between those cuts down the center. Then the two halves were slid to space the knobs apart from each other more each end, to the correct new length, and some bone was used to fill in the resulting gaps each end, taken from between the metatarsals that had been fused and were now individual lebgthened bones adn two screws in the midddle area added to hold each metatarsal together ....lengthened from age ten to age 16 length bearing in mind the guy in question is 6 foot 6, and really needed a proper weight bearing foot that uses the same size and shape shoe as the other foot, both with very high arches as they were originally.
It was the first time this kind of surgery was done in South Afrcia and I must say I admire the surgeon greatly, not only for his skill in executing it, but for coming up with such an elegant solution to begin with. It was a long surgery, 8 or 9 hrs of reconstruction, but possible in a single procedure as the bones were all in the right positions and shapes from the leather boots trick combined wiht the original fine wire "knitiing".
Another case of bone movement caused by pressure on bone over time, also involved this same son. In utero he lay crosswise with his backbone against mine. I looked wide but did not stick out frontways much:-)
We each have a small compensating scoliosis where the two backbones put pressure on each other, even just for those few months.
The moral of the story: Bone will go where you push it to go, over time. Whether you push with leather boots, or by using the body's ligamets and tendons (exercise) or via external pressure on the body - it moves.
Namaste,
Irene
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P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
After much persuation I got the surgeons to knit the bits together with fine wire, resulting in a more or less foot shaped mass of bone with some growth plates still active also some toes, others not.
Ligamets etc all stretched out of any usefulness and we needed to wait till the foot stopped growing at age 16 to see what was what - what would grow and what would not - and decide what to do, depending what growth plates were smashed or active.
Meantime, I figured some custom leather boots with custom arch supports, greadually changing the supports as the foot grew in places, so one could persuade the foot into a more suitable shape, and allow it to catch up to the stretched ligaments so that they could again become effective and maintain and arch, and reshape the foot which had a weird splatted out shape. He started with a negative arch adn curver foot and by age 16 he had the same arch he started out with and the foot had toes pointing the right way more or less rather than to the side, no more curved mess.
A very nice surgical fix was then done to lengthen metatarsals that had not grown to make them the same length as the two that did grow, and to replace the toe which was turning 90 degrees back to a straight one. The lengthening bone was taken from the central lump of fused bone which was by this method unfused and able to have some flexibility again and the result was that he now has a new full size functional foot. The original prognosis and suggestion was to leave it alone and hope he had a club of some sort to hobble on.
The gradual movement of the mostly fused bone mess into a foot shape was due to gradual pressure from cutom made leather boots which I redid every three months, to rehape the foot completely, and the way the ankle held it, making it possible to finish the job with some very neat surgical intervention after 6 years. You would not see a limp at all if you saw the guy now.
The bone lengthening was done this way:
Each metatarsal (looks a bit like a mini femur shape) was cut halfway from outside to center, just under the top knob and above the bottom "knob" and between those cuts down the center. Then the two halves were slid to space the knobs apart from each other more each end, to the correct new length, and some bone was used to fill in the resulting gaps each end, taken from between the metatarsals that had been fused and were now individual lebgthened bones adn two screws in the midddle area added to hold each metatarsal together ....lengthened from age ten to age 16 length bearing in mind the guy in question is 6 foot 6, and really needed a proper weight bearing foot that uses the same size and shape shoe as the other foot, both with very high arches as they were originally.
It was the first time this kind of surgery was done in South Afrcia and I must say I admire the surgeon greatly, not only for his skill in executing it, but for coming up with such an elegant solution to begin with. It was a long surgery, 8 or 9 hrs of reconstruction, but possible in a single procedure as the bones were all in the right positions and shapes from the leather boots trick combined wiht the original fine wire "knitiing".
Another case of bone movement caused by pressure on bone over time, also involved this same son. In utero he lay crosswise with his backbone against mine. I looked wide but did not stick out frontways much:-)
We each have a small compensating scoliosis where the two backbones put pressure on each other, even just for those few months.
The moral of the story: Bone will go where you push it to go, over time. Whether you push with leather boots, or by using the body's ligamets and tendons (exercise) or via external pressure on the body - it moves.
Namaste,
Irene
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P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
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Re: syphilinum
a way more simpler example, and by the way coo+does to you Irene. what an awesome mother.
look at someone who wears glasses most of their life. i noticed as earlier as my earliest memory of my dad that his skull had permanent indents where his glasses sat on the sides of his head. obviously not great pressure but just enough and he did not wear glasses until he was an adult. if you feel the actual bone under the flesh it is the bone that is indented.
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Subject: Re: [Minutus] syphilinum
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2014, 8:03 AM
On Sep 29, 2014, at
6:28 PM, 'Dr. J Rozencwajg, NMD' jroz@ihug.co.nz
[minutus] wrote:
As long as you deal with living tissues,
changes are possible....extreme patience might be needed,
though.
I
can add an experience with bone. My older son fell three
floors onto concrete at age twn landing on one foot, which
smithereened ad folded in half. (For exampe cuboid bone in 7
pieces) After
much persuation I got the surgeons to knit the bits together
with fine wire, resulting in a more or less foot shaped mass
of bone with some growth plates still active also some toes,
others not.
Ligamets etc all stretched out of any usefulness and we
needed to wait till the foot stopped growing at age 16 to
see what was what - what would grow and what would not - and
decide what to do, depending what growth plates were smashed
or active.Meantime,
I figured some custom leather boots with custom arch
supports, greadually changing the supports as the foot grew
in places, so one could persuade the foot into a more
suitable shape, and allow it to catch up to the stretched
ligaments so that they could again become effective and
maintain and arch, and reshape the foot which had a weird
splatted out shape. He started with a negative arch adn
curver foot and by age 16 he had the same arch he started
out with and the foot had toes pointing the right way more
or less rather than to the side, no more curved
mess.
A very nice surgical fix was then done to lengthen
metatarsals that had not grown to make them the same length
as the two that did grow, and to replace the toe which was
turning 90 degrees back to a straight one. The lengthening
bone was taken from the central lump of fused bone which was
by this method unfused and able to have some flexibility
again and the result was that he now has a new full size
functional foot. The original prognosis and suggestion was
to leave it alone and hope he had a club of some sort to
hobble on.
The gradual movement of the mostly fused bone mess
into a foot shape was due to gradual pressure from cutom
made leather boots which I redid every three months, to
rehape the foot completely, and the way the ankle held it,
making it possible to finish the job with some very neat
surgical intervention after 6 years. You would not see a
limp at all if you saw the guy now.
The bone lengthening was done this
way:Each metatarsal (looks a bit like a mini
femur shape) was cut halfway from outside to center, just
under the top knob and above the bottom "knob" and
between those cuts down the center. Then the two halves were
slid to space the knobs apart from each other more each end,
to the correct new length, and some bone was used to fill
in the resulting gaps each end, taken from between the
metatarsals that had been fused and were now individual
lebgthened bones adn two screws in the midddle area added to
hold each metatarsal together ....lengthened from age ten to
age 16 length bearing in mind the guy in question is 6 foot
6, and really needed a proper weight bearing foot that uses
the same size and shape shoe as the other foot, both with
very high arches as they were
originally. It was the first time
this kind of surgery was done in South Afrcia and I must say
I admire the surgeon greatly, not only for his skill in
executing it, but for coming up with such an elegant
solution to begin with. It was a long surgery, 8 or 9 hrs of
reconstruction, but possible in a single procedure as the
bones were all in the right positions and shapes from the
leather boots trick combined wiht the original fine wire
"knitiing".
Another
case of bone movement caused by pressure on bone over time,
also involved this same son. In utero he lay crosswise with
his backbone against mine. I looked wide but did not stick
out frontways much:-)We each have a small
compensating scoliosis where the two backbones put pressure
on each other, even just for those few
months.
The
moral of the story: Bone will go where you push it to go,
over time. Whether you push with leather boots, or by using
the body's ligamets and tendons (exercise) or via
external pressure on the body - it
moves.
Namaste,
Irene--Irene
de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary
Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be
done should not interrupt one doing
it."
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look at someone who wears glasses most of their life. i noticed as earlier as my earliest memory of my dad that his skull had permanent indents where his glasses sat on the sides of his head. obviously not great pressure but just enough and he did not wear glasses until he was an adult. if you feel the actual bone under the flesh it is the bone that is indented.
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Subject: Re: [Minutus] syphilinum
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2014, 8:03 AM
On Sep 29, 2014, at
6:28 PM, 'Dr. J Rozencwajg, NMD' jroz@ihug.co.nz
[minutus] wrote:
As long as you deal with living tissues,
changes are possible....extreme patience might be needed,
though.
I
can add an experience with bone. My older son fell three
floors onto concrete at age twn landing on one foot, which
smithereened ad folded in half. (For exampe cuboid bone in 7
pieces) After
much persuation I got the surgeons to knit the bits together
with fine wire, resulting in a more or less foot shaped mass
of bone with some growth plates still active also some toes,
others not.
Ligamets etc all stretched out of any usefulness and we
needed to wait till the foot stopped growing at age 16 to
see what was what - what would grow and what would not - and
decide what to do, depending what growth plates were smashed
or active.Meantime,
I figured some custom leather boots with custom arch
supports, greadually changing the supports as the foot grew
in places, so one could persuade the foot into a more
suitable shape, and allow it to catch up to the stretched
ligaments so that they could again become effective and
maintain and arch, and reshape the foot which had a weird
splatted out shape. He started with a negative arch adn
curver foot and by age 16 he had the same arch he started
out with and the foot had toes pointing the right way more
or less rather than to the side, no more curved
mess.
A very nice surgical fix was then done to lengthen
metatarsals that had not grown to make them the same length
as the two that did grow, and to replace the toe which was
turning 90 degrees back to a straight one. The lengthening
bone was taken from the central lump of fused bone which was
by this method unfused and able to have some flexibility
again and the result was that he now has a new full size
functional foot. The original prognosis and suggestion was
to leave it alone and hope he had a club of some sort to
hobble on.
The gradual movement of the mostly fused bone mess
into a foot shape was due to gradual pressure from cutom
made leather boots which I redid every three months, to
rehape the foot completely, and the way the ankle held it,
making it possible to finish the job with some very neat
surgical intervention after 6 years. You would not see a
limp at all if you saw the guy now.
The bone lengthening was done this
way:Each metatarsal (looks a bit like a mini
femur shape) was cut halfway from outside to center, just
under the top knob and above the bottom "knob" and
between those cuts down the center. Then the two halves were
slid to space the knobs apart from each other more each end,
to the correct new length, and some bone was used to fill
in the resulting gaps each end, taken from between the
metatarsals that had been fused and were now individual
lebgthened bones adn two screws in the midddle area added to
hold each metatarsal together ....lengthened from age ten to
age 16 length bearing in mind the guy in question is 6 foot
6, and really needed a proper weight bearing foot that uses
the same size and shape shoe as the other foot, both with
very high arches as they were
originally. It was the first time
this kind of surgery was done in South Afrcia and I must say
I admire the surgeon greatly, not only for his skill in
executing it, but for coming up with such an elegant
solution to begin with. It was a long surgery, 8 or 9 hrs of
reconstruction, but possible in a single procedure as the
bones were all in the right positions and shapes from the
leather boots trick combined wiht the original fine wire
"knitiing".
Another
case of bone movement caused by pressure on bone over time,
also involved this same son. In utero he lay crosswise with
his backbone against mine. I looked wide but did not stick
out frontways much:-)We each have a small
compensating scoliosis where the two backbones put pressure
on each other, even just for those few
months.
The
moral of the story: Bone will go where you push it to go,
over time. Whether you push with leather boots, or by using
the body's ligamets and tendons (exercise) or via
external pressure on the body - it
moves.
Namaste,
Irene--Irene
de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary
Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be
done should not interrupt one doing
it."
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