dosage question

[Ellen Madono]

Hi,

I have a Stramonium 9 year old patient. He has done well on 30c, moved up to 200c over the past 2 years. All potencies in water. Now at 9 years old, he started to act out with pretty much the same symptoms. All mental. They go in the direction of violence and fear at night. So, I am not thinking of changing remedies. Rather, I am thinking to go to LM's. His whole family is very allergic and quite sensitive in all ways. I don't want to shoot up to 1M. Presumably this is going to go away before I have to go to 10M, or the symptoms will change.

My question is what level of LM should be the ne xt step after 200c? Factoring in his sensitivity. I was thinking 4 or 5 LM. Don't know how to think of the comparison of LM's and C's

He really as not had aggravations at all and I have been treating him since he was in the womb. Don't know if he had an aggravation there, but he came out just fine. His father had lots of problems as a child and teenager, and as an adult. The boy has a different remedy pattern and different problems, but they both have something quite deep going on.

Best,
Ellen Madono

[Jean Doherty]

Would one use Calc Carb ? the chronic of Stramonium as an intercurrent ??, Jean

[Soroush Ebrahimi]

Dear Ellen

Start with LM or Q1. There is no real correspondence between Cs and Q (LM) potencies.

Soroush
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Hi,
I have a Stramonium 9 year old patient. He has done well on 30c, moved up to 200c over the past 2 years. All potencies in water. Now at 9 years old, he started to act out with pretty much the same symptoms. All mental. They go in the direction of violence and fear at night. So, I am not thinking of changing remedies. Rather, I am thinking to go to LM's. His whole family is very allergic and quite sensitive in all ways. I don't want to shoot up to 1M. Presumably this is going to go away before I have to go to 10M, or the symptoms will change.
My question is what level of LM should be the ne xt step after 200c? Factoring in his sensitivity. I was thinking 4 or 5 LM. Don't know how to think of the comparison of LM's and C's
He really as not had aggravations at all and I have been treating him since he was in the womb. Don't know if he had an aggravation there, but he came out just fine. His father had lots of problems as a child and teenager, and as an adult. The boy has a different remedy pattern and different problems, but they both have something quite deep going on.
Best,

Ellen Madono

[healthinfo6]

My question is what level of LM should be the ne xt step after 200c? Factoring in his sensitivity. I was thinking 4 or 5 LM. Don't know how to think of the comparison of LM's and C's

After 200C, I find LM4 best continues. LM3 has been too weak.
Susan

[Shannon Nelson]

Following Jean's thought -- I am remembering a case of I think Will Taylor's, where the remedy to me (and I think to most of the class) seemed to EXACTLY fit Stramonium -- but the remedy that cured was Calc. Will walked us through the rubrics of Calc carb, to show that it did indeed cover the case fully, and even some of the remedies that we think of as mild, may still include extreme states.

Part of what I remember him saying, was that in this case stramonium would *not* have cured, and I deeply wish I could remember why he said he had chosen calc carb instead!

Shannon

[Maria Bohle]

In my experience also, when we get a 'close enough' remedy that almost cures but doesn't, might want to look farther.
Had a couple of clients that went to the very edge of 'cure' , one seemed to be a Nat mur case, he went through 18 bottles of Nat mur, then he got Aqua Marina, that was probably 12 years ago, is still on aqua marina but the remedy did the job and he has had maybe two bottles since then.

Another case looked, acted, and sounded like a perfect rhus tox case, but rhus tox never took him to the cure, Rhus v I think was the remedy I finally gave him and no more problems since then, that too was years ago.

Maria

[Irene de Villiers]

Why do you not use Fibonacci series?
it works better and there are no potency questions.

Kinda like using a car instead of walking:-) It's a 21st century thing:-)

...Irene
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"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[healthinfo6]

Shannon,
One reason may be Stramonium is not an antipsoric and don't see it listed as antisyphilitic or antisycotic,
Calc Carb is multimiasmatic remedy.
What was being treated?
Interestingly, below, Hahnemann differentiates the Organon's focus on treating non-chronic non-psora "human" diseases which would include communicable, acutes, while Chronic Diseases teaches additional methods necessary based on miasms.
Case analysis initially should determine if you are treating chronic disease due to miasms or chronic illness.
Susan
From Chronic Diseases:
"... the psora that is still latent within, as well as the psora that has developed into one of the innumerable chronic diseases springing from it, is very seldom cured by any single anti-psoric remedy, but requires the use of several of these remedies -in the worst cases the use of quite a number of them- one after the other, for its perfect cure.
This circumstance need not astonish us when we consider that the psora is a chronic miasma of quite peculiar and especial character which in several thousands of years has passed through several millions of human organisms, and must have assumed such a vast extension of varied symptoms, -the elements of those innumerable, chronic, non-venereal ailments, under which mankind now groans,- and could transmute itself into such an indefinite multitude of forms differing from one another as it gradually ultimated itself in the various bodily constitutions of individual men who differed from one another in their domiciles, their climatic peculiarities, their education, habits, occupations, modes of life and of diet, and was moulded by varying bodily and psychic relations. It is, therefore, not strange, that one single and only medicine is insufficient to heal the entire psora and all its forms, and that it requires several medicines in order to respond, by the artificial morbid effects peculiar to each, to the unnumbered host of psora symptoms, and thus to those of all chronic (non venereal) diseases, and to the entire psora, and to do this in a curative homœopathic manner.
The homœopathic medical treatment of the countless chronic diseases (non-venereal and therefore of psoric origin) agrees essentially in its general features with the homœopathic treatment of human diseases as taught in the Organon of the Art of Healing"

[Ellen Madono]

Thanks everyone for pushing up the ante.
About Will Taylor's calc-c change (Calc-osterarium according to him now), I already did a family switch when the px was about 5 years old. 4 years ago. Dulcamara to Stramonium. The symptoms became much more distinct. Here, I am not seeing a symptom change.

I just reviewed Will's nosode course. He is saying when the best remedy is not moving a case, you may think in the direction of a Bowel Nosode. So, I will re-rep the case and think it though.

Dulc and Stram are both in the same facial group (HFA). Calc is not. Of course, Will would not be thinking in those terms. He would be thinking about miasms. I think this case he would say is tubercular. Both the father and the boy are tubercular as a miasm. HFA and I don't usually think of miasms in this way, but taking Will's course on Miasms, I am rethinking my prejudices. For the moment, I prefer Dr. Shahrdar's more medically current miasm analysis. But some cases lend themselves to a more standard miasm analysis.

Susan, good to hear your experience about the correspondence between 200c and LM4. I was thinking 4 of 5, so I was in the ball park.

Best,
Ellen Madono

Ellen Madono

[Shannon Nelson]

Ellen,

I hope you'll let us know how this does work out -- I do love to hear the "answers" to our "puzzles"!

Shannon