staphisagria,rhus tox?

[bored_chick]

Can someone compare rhus-tox to staphisagria when it ocmes to abuse?
I have only found one place with a comparison, and this is what is written
Differential Diagnosis with Staphysagria
Here we have to talk also about Staphysagria. This remedy is currently known as a great remedy for suppressed anger and often given routinely. Staphysagria has suppressed anger with indignation and is in general a nice person. He never will have this kind of thoughts as had my patient in example 3. Rhus toxicodendron has also suppressed anger, because of a situation where he was powerless and had to undergo all the afflictions that people imposed on him, like sexual abuse, rape, imprisonment, torture, etc. The causation is severe trauma with impossibility to defend himself or to escape. That why we see so often the desire to escape in Rhus toxicodendron and the need to walk outside to feel better. Staphysagria is a weak type that has suppressed his anger because he accepts his situation of suppression easily. He feels weak before authorities and he cannot confront anybody and stand up for his own rights. He avoids conflicts and is not able to defend himself. He is a too sensitive person and when his anger comes out it is harmless; it is just shouting and he can even lose his voice or just imagine insults and tremble without expressing his anger. But be careful when Rhus toxicodendron expresses his anger. He can break down the whole house, break chairs, windows, whatever comes on his way. He can also have fantasies of killing, of destroying things, of harming people and he can be full of hate, what is a keynote for Rhus tox. He is not ready to forgive and has a deep seated feeling of being a victim. If both remedies are well understood it must be possible to differentiate them, I think."
if this is true why do no repertories have rhus tox under abuse or betrayal deceptions hatred revenge domination type rubrics?

thanks

[Shannon Nelson]

That is a *wonderful* comparison, thanks for posting! But what book and author is it from?

The one other place from which I've heard the association of Rhus fox and abuse, is in Tinus Smits' "Inspiring Homeopathy." He describes Rhus-t as one of the "universal layer" remedies, along with (the ones I can remember) Lac humanum, Lac maternum, Carcinosin (and a variant or two) -- and there are a few others.

Shannon

[Tanya Marquette]

rhus t is under Rage, Anger, emotions in Radar. this was a very quick look--there may be more

[bored_chick]

that comparison is actually form tinus smits.

[Dale Moss]

You may want to compare them on a miasmatic basis. Here's what Sankaran says about Rhus-tox.:

SANKARAN. Anacardiaceae + TYPHOID miasm = caught/stuck in a dangerous situation & has to get out of it immediately. STUCK feeling is quite acute, but passes off quickly from movement. Sensation: caught, stiff, stuck, tension/cramps; not allowed to move; restricted; feels trapped. Passive reaction: paralyzed, lethargic, immobile; mind freezes; can't move if lies next to someone; detachment, dissociation, alienation. Active reaction: feels stuck & wants to move constantly; restless; walking in open air. Px faces some danger of attack from members of own family, ergo always has to be on guard [sounds like Ars.]; no clinging, no desire for company; can't turn to anyone for help & has to keep quiet. E.g. woman with young children alone in house with violent drunkard husband; she is vigilant, nervous, sad, unable to express her fears; is dependent on husband and worried re children. May turn to prayers and become even more superstitious. SUPERSTITIOUS (says, for example, sour food gives him joint pains or stiff neck = fear of being poisoned). Cannot sit in one place; always MOVING, FIDGETING, moving a part of body [not a desire to pace like Ars. or like sudden intense restlessness of Aconite]; just a constant physical restlessness. Restlessness reminiscent of Med., Zincum; Rhus has dread without knowing why; Med. has fear of misfortune; Zincum has fear as if he'd committed a crime.
And here's what he has to say about Staphysagria:
SANKARAN: Ranunculaceae + CANCER miasm = must keep in control in vexing situation; fears loss of self-control (= loss of dignity). Ailments from wounded honor. Disgusted & upset if not believed; believes in right & wrong. Severe acute bronchitis, with consolidation of R lung; cyanosis, SOB. Gandhi [Liz Lalor sees Gandhi as Causticum, at least as portrayed by Ben Kingsley in the movie]. This is a syco-syphilitic remedy that falls in the cancer miasm. I have found that Staphysagria patients have a tendency to develop cancer. They are morbidly sensitive. The effect of this sensitivity is very deep and long-lasting. They set for themselves a task which is nearly impossible. That task is to maintain their dignity despite being beaten down, insulted and humiliated. He feels that he should live up to his sense of dignity and honor (which is often far more than needed in a man in his position). He should not do anything that is undignified, even though others may do so. He should never lower himself to the other man's level (and retaliate by acting as he does). He must never lose his control, since it would be very much below his honor and dignity to do so. If somebody insults him, he has to keep control as befits his noble birth. He cannot lose his temper and become abusive or violent. Were he to do so, he would feel very upset and feel that he had done himself an indignity and this, to him, would be worse than the effect of the insult itself. Hence the sentence in Phatak's Materia Medica: "Great INDIGNATION about things done by others or by himself, grieves about the consequences". He worries about the effect of such a lack of control on his reputation. The sentence in Phatak's Materia Medica is: "Very sensitive to what others say about him". The feeling seems to be that his survival depends upon maintaining a very high reputation and SELF-CONTROL, of being a very superior, calm and dignified person, who wins the respect of all by his noble actions... a person who is much above the ordinary.

Staphysagria imposes on himself a very strict code of honor and is very indignant with himself if he doesn't uphold it. So he has to suppress a lot of his urges, especially in the sexual sphere. He is very timid and cowardly, and has feelings of guilt. He cannot express his increased sexual desire directly for fear of being hurt and out of a sense of SHAME, and because of his self-respect Staphysagria is not one who can ogle at women. He therefore suppresses his desire and we get the characteristics: "Dwells on sexual matters". There is also a prominent tendency to masturbation. To control the anger and the passion - to swallow the ego and hurt - becomes a survival mechanism. This is the situation that can present the maximum problems, for example in the area of sexuality a person INTENSELY CONCERNED WITH HIS HONOR AND REPUTATION will be too embarrassed to express his sexuality openly and this aspect will be suppressed, expressed only in his fantasy ("Ailments from embarrassment" and "Sexual-minded"). But even these fantasies can produce intense guilt and fear, guilt that he is indulging in such fantasies and fear that it may be discovered by others. This leads to an intense state of ANXIETY, a neurotic anxiety with the feeling that somebody is behind him, and so he constantly keeps looking back. The need to keep perfect control, to live far beyond his capacity makes of Staphysagria a syco-syphilitic remedy. The sycotic aspect is manifested in the reserved, almost secretive nature and the constant apprehension that others might find his weakness, which is the losing of self-control. This NEED FOR CONTROL is sometimes seen in the struggle to give up smoking. The main characteristic of Staphysagria is extreme sensitivity and reactivity, both emotionally and physically. If you touch the Staphysagria patient at his sensitive point, which is his honor, reputation and self-respect, there will be an immediate intense reaction though it is often suppressed. Kent writes: "A man insulted by someone beneath his station could not react outwardly, went home sick, weak and trembling." Physically too, Staphysagria is indicated in extremely sensitive conditions like a painful surgical scar or a sensitive tooth. In Phatak's Repertory it is the only remedy listed in the rubric: "Sensitive, morbidly". Also there is HARDENING to cover up the sensitivity as is shown by a tendency to styes and tumors. This sensitivity could only be found in a plant and not in a metal, salt or animal. In its nature it has the softness of a plant rather than hardness of a mineral or the competitiveness of an animal.

There can be two extremes, one which has such suppressed emotions where the person will tell that: "I last got angry seventeen years ago", and the one who cannot control his feelings - as Phatak says: "Violent outbursts of passion", "Always angry". The Staphysagria patients we see in practice lie somewhere between these extremes, and the common theme which links them are matters of honor and respect, and their internal feeling of having a very high reputation to live up to. Staphysagria can have many fears: fear of being insulted, of being mortified, fear of being killed; he can be afraid even of his own shadow. I have observed that Staphysagria is VERY APOLOGETIC during the consultation, as if to ward off any rudeness of the physician and to avoid being reprimanded by him. They apologize for everything; if they have not taken the medicine for a few days and are not feeling better, they usually blame themselves for it. I recall a patient who when entering the consultation room paused and asked if she should leave her slippers at the door. We see here someone who is careful and cautious in finding out what is the norm of the clinic before she does anything, because she does not want a reprimand from me. Behind this sensitivity to being reprimanded and being admonished, one can perceive the expression of a delusion that as long as she is following the rules of the person in authority, she is okay. Her perception of reality is that she is always under somebody whom she has to obey and whom she has to follow. It is as if Staphysagria has made a contract with the rest of the world regarding just behavior. The problem is, he has signed it, but the world has not.
You'd have to differentiate between them not on the basis of their having been abused, but on their reaction to the abuse, as well as other characteristics.
Peace,

Dale

[bored_chick]

wow thanks that was perfect.

[Shannon Nelson]

Ah, too bad --- I was excited to think it was coming from *two* sources.

Oh well, I have the perfect person to try Rhus t on, for exactly the state described there, so thanks for bringing it back to my mind, and if it works, I will report.

Shannon

[bored_chick]

did it work?

[bored_chick]

if the mentals rhus tox almost all of them fit a person .......but there is not stiffness physically. Only some of the physials fit. Would you still give it, if not which remedies would you look into??

[Irene de Villiers]

Any remedy will fit a person in some way.
You can not do homeopathy backwards like that.
It is NEVER relevant what part of what remedy looks like the patient.

Forget remedies.
It is only relevant what the patient has as symptoms.
Start there.

WHy do you not sign your posts?

....Irene
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