from C4 to C5

[Hennie Duits]

Some say you can dissolve globules or granules of a potency, say a C4,
in water, or a water-alcohol solution, potentise this solution and so
have a C5.
I *do*want to raise the issue that making a C5 this way is not identical
to a C5 made the regular way, and so, the effects of such differently
made remedies could, or (*say I*) should be different.

The difference (in preparation) probably is clear, but if it is not,
I’ll explain.

Kind regards,

Hennie

[Ananda Ruchira]

Hi Hennie

The process of taking a pill, putting it in water and/or alcohol, letting it dissolve, then succussing.

To my knowledge as I understand pharmacy - (the following is very technical, so skip this if you're bored with such things)

Yes, you get an active, useful remedy. But I have never understood what potency that would be. Its fairly impossible to calculate.

For example
Using proper pharmacy technique, based on Hahnemann's LM instructions - 1 drop of a potency (eg 5c) is used to medicate 50 poppyseed-sized (LM size) pills. Then dried. So that 1 pill has 1/50th of a drop of a 5c medication. However, different pharmas use different size pills and different amounts of medicating potency to wet their globules.

So leaving aside even more questions about its dried state, now when you dilute it into water the questions will be - how much water?

Suppose one calculates that there is 1/50th of a drop in your globule. Would that mean that the water-alcohol should be only 2 drops to maintain the 1:100 ratio needed to lift the potency from 5c to 6c?

But that's impossible question too, because it doesn't take into account the volume of sugar in the globule, polluting the results, and so many other niggling querstions.

You could add 100 (or 99) drops (3ml) - but does that mean you have a 6c? But most people add 5ml, 10ml or a cup or a litre. Then what???

So while you may have a viable usable gentle remedy, you may or may not have a 6c.
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What could be done (and I sometimes do in a pinch) is "grafting" a remedy.
-Put a small pill in 2-3ml vial of water.
-Dissolve, succuss.
-Pour off a few drops (decanting to leave as much sugar sendiment behind) into 5 or 10 ml vial of 90% alcohol and again succuss.
-Label it as 5c(+) or 6c (grafted), with the bracketed info so that you know its not precise and pure. and later on you should replace it if you're fussy about these kind of things.

In 90% ethanol it will keep forever and you can use it to medicate other globules. In 25-40% alcohol (eg vodka, whiskey for those without access to pure alcohol), it should keep for some few years, but can't be used on globules, you'll use it in water doses.
Hope this helps.
With regards,
Didi Ananda Ruchira | Tel: +254 (0)723-869133 | www.abhalight.org

[Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD]

If I may.... what is important is the proportionality, the relationship, between the different potencies and dose made from the original drop/globule and used for the one patient it is made for, if that one is relevant.

Example with my obsessive F series: you cannot collect the 10 different potencies from 10 different pharmacies because, as Did wrote, each one will be made with a different method, different force of succussion (not the same technician), different numbers of succussions. Therefore the whole series has to be made from the beginning with the same methodology, but it does not really matter if the methodology is different from one producer to the other...you could use 25 succussions instead of 10, it will give you a proper F series, but if you have 2 series of the same remedy made differently, you need to use either of those for the same patient, not mix them, as tempting as it can be if one potency is missing for some reason.

Makes sense?

Joe.

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.

"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"

www.naturamedica.co.nz

[Hennie Duits]

Thank you, and also for explaining what I meant to indicate.
Seeing the many variables, there may be an optimal way to (at least)
make (let alone give) remedies, but it may be hard to find.

On the other hand, it seems that, as long as you adhere to the basics of
making remedies, there is a broad tolerance as for the quantity of the
previous potency, size of granules/globules, drying time, quantity of
alcohol and water, number of succussions, hand or machine made, etc.

So, several of the above factors *as such* seem to be rather
unimportant, as long as the broad basics are adhered to. But I cannot
help wondering where in this (probably) Bell curve would be the peak
effect of remedies.

(And so, in due time, we find out that Arnica works best if it is
diluted 1:79 and succussed 233 times, as opposed to Aconitum, working
best if diluted 1:1027 and succussed 27 times...)

Way to go.

Hennie

Abha Light Foundation abhalight@gmail.com [minutus] schreef op 15-7-2014
19:09:

[Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD]

(And so, in due time, we find out that Arnica works best if it is
diluted 1:79 and succussed 233 times, as opposed to Aconitum, working
best if diluted 1:1027 and succussed 27 times...)
That is exactly what I suggested in Part 4 of Third Millennium
Homeopathy, titled Dilution or Delusion, arguing for research that would
need physicist's labs and know-how....loads of unknowns and hypotheses,
and we might get some wonderful surprises if and when we get to do that
research.

Joe.

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.

"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"

www.naturamedica.co.nz

[Hennie Duits]

Ah, right, so I obviously missed that..

'Dr. J Rozencwajg, NMD' jroz@ihug.co.nz [minutus] schreef op 16-7-2014 2:26:

[Hennie Duits]

Have you been suggesting ways to get to know more about this?

Hennie Duits he.duits@kpnmail.nl [minutus] schreef op 16-7-2014 2:37:

[Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD]

I have hypotheses, but I need to sit with someone who knows how to check
them, how to use the machines and which tests to do and how to do them,
etc,.....way out of my league....and by talking to those people, they
might and probably will find better ways to check everything......

Joe.

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.

"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"

www.naturamedica.co.nz