Epidemic Diseases

[Maria Bohle]

Hello Friends,

I am in possession of an old book, Medicine and Health in New Jersey: A History,
This book is very interesting, I discusses medicine in 1800's and 1900', and what diseases were around, morbility and treatment options of the time. it also covers the regulation of medicine and medical practitioners.

This book mentions how many cholera, typhus, scarlet fever, tuberculosis, etc., cases the doctors had and survival rates.

So, I have questions for those of you seeing some of these kinds of named diseases where you practice. (I am so isolated where I practice, just about everyone has hot and cold running water, flushing toilets, and pretty high standards of hygiene in my area.)
I am not a vaccine proponent, and I do realize the numbers of these diseases are way, way down so the statistics can easily be manipulated to say the vaccines work.

However today:
1) medical practitioners of all kinds are far better educated and therapies that work (more or less) are pretty readily available.
2) diagnostic tests are usually easy to obtain.
3) personal hygiene is at a high in many areas
4) Food in many areas is plentiful, we will not discuss the quality of the foods or subclinical deficiencies.

I know all these factors greatly influence the reduction of disease transmission.

I was surprised to read in this old book that Typhus was not that deadly, and dysentery was pretty easily handled by adults but killed a lot of children.

If you have these diseases in your country, if you are seeing them in clinic, can you give me a perspective on how dangerous? how effective are the vaccines? or any other kind of information we who are not familiar with them might want to know.

Thanks,

Maria
ps. would also be pleased for any comments or discussions that might come of these questions.

[Label GMO Florida]

sadly i do not believe you will be able to find any truthful data on this. i also believe i read or heard somewhere that the number one cause of death in the US right now is hospitals. sadly most of the official causes of death as reported by hospitals would be written off as complications due to... what ever it is the reason for which you went to the hospital in the first place. for instance. you go to the ER for the flu. you get admitted and contract mrsa infection while there and never make it out alive. your official cause of death would be the flu.
my neighbor who was recovering from throat cancer was at the time cancer free. the doctor changed medicine on him and he had bad swelling reaction to new meds. due to the obamacare change in his insurance he could not go to his old doctor but had to find a new doctor which he could not get an appointment for until literally the day after he died. the new doctor required a special initial visit which had to be scheduled for more time to do initial visit paperwork which is the reason for the delay in getting an appointment.
long story short, he swelled up so bad that it restricted blood flow and death was actually heart attack, due to loss of blood flow, but officially cause of death was complication from cancer. in reality death was cause by reaction to prescription drugs but that will be the last option when reporting officially.
so when you see data on death from drug complications it is actually a last resort official cause of death if there is an existing condition which you are being treated for they will attribute death to the condition.
a friends mother in law died after going to the hospital several years back for the flu. while there she broke a hip among other things and never made it out alive. officially she died from flu complications. even though there was never confirmation she even had the flu. no tests where run for diagnosis. it could have been a cold or pneumonia, etc....
i believe back in history most people could recover from many diseases because our immune systems where not compromised with vaccines starting at birth and food that was still food. today, in general, the human population is weak. chemicals on and in our food. genetically altered food that make there own toxins, vaccines, poisons in the water and agriculture lands, livestock injected with antibiotics and hormones all contribute to our immune systems being unable to fiction correctly.
look at the cases of auto-immune diseases these days and how rapidly the numbers are exploding. we have been trained to suppress our immune system if it tries to do its job. if you get a fever, you take aspirin or tylonol to suppress it. if you get sick you get a antibiotic which kills ALL bacteria. the majority of todays synthetic drugs are designed to suppress symptoms or in other words, short circuit our immune systems attempt to work.
if vaccines where just a way of exposing our bodies to weaker form of disease it would probably work. that is how the immune system is suppose to work. but most disease would naturally enter the body thru the digestive system or respiratory system, not thru the blood stream and not in conjunction with heavy metals and other poisons they include in todays vaccines.
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Subject: [Minutus] Epidemic Diseases
To: "minutus@yahoogroups.com"
Date: Thursday, April 17, 2014, 10:54 AM
Hello Friends,
I am in possession of an old book, Medicine
and Health in New Jersey: A History, This
book is very interesting, I discusses medicine in 1800's
and 1900', and what diseases were around, morbility and
treatment options of the time. it also covers the
regulation of medicine and medical practitioners.
This book mentions how many cholera, typhus,
scarlet fever, tuberculosis, etc., cases the doctors had
and survival rates.
So, I have questions for those of you seeing some
of these kinds of named diseases where you practice. (I am
so isolated where I practice, just about everyone has hot
and cold running water, flushing toilets, and pretty high
standards of hygiene in my area.)
I am not a vaccine proponent, and I do
realize the numbers of these diseases are way, way down so
the statistics can easily be manipulated to say the vaccines
work.
However today:
1) medical practitioners of all kinds are far better
educated and therapies that work (more or less) are pretty
readily available.2) diagnostic tests are usually
easy to obtain.3) personal hygiene is at a high
in many areas
4) Food in many areas is plentiful, we will not
discuss the quality of the foods or subclinical
deficiencies.
I know all these factors greatly influence the
reduction of disease transmission.
I was surprised to read in this old book that
Typhus was not that deadly, and dysentery was pretty easily
handled by adults but killed a lot of children.
If you have these diseases in your country, if
you are seeing them in clinic, can you give me a perspective
on how dangerous? how effective are the vaccines? or any
other kind of information we who are not familiar with them
might want to know.
Thanks,
Mariaps. would also be pleased for
any comments or discussions that might come of these
questions.

[Rachel]

That's so interesting, Maria. I'd love to read a book like that. Is it still in print?

Sent from my iPhone

[Maria Bohle]

I do not know if it is still in print, It is in the Library of Congress, here is the information:

Author is David L. Cowen,
Title: Medicine and health in new Jersey: A History 1964
it is part of the New Jersey Historical Series

Volume 16
This book was gifted to me by a friend who is a professional writer, she knew I would be fascinated by this infomation.

Warmly, Maria

[John R. Benneth]

Usually not knowing what else to do, the old school has always tried to combat
and wherever possible suppress through medicines only one of the many
symptoms that diseases present- a short-sighted method called symptomatic
therapy.
This has justly earned general contempt, not only because it does not do any real
good but because it does much harm.
A single symptom is no more the whole disease than a single foot a whole man.
This method is all the more objectionable because it treats a particular symptom
with an opposite remedy (in a merely enatiopathic and palliative way) with the
result that it returns much worse than before after a short alleviation.
Hahnemann, p.8, The Organon, 6th edition
The health sciences are more scare than care - John Benneth
In a message dated 4/17/2014 8:50:33 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, vickih_fla@yahoo.com writes:
John Benneth, Homoeopath
PG Hom - London (Hons.)
http://johnbenneth.com
SKYPE: John Benneth (Portland, Oregon)
503- 819 - 7777 (USA)

[John R. Benneth]

Well! I find this to be a very interesting topic, although asking homeopaths to respond to it is about as futile as asking the masters of iatrogenesis, the M.D.s, about it, as the control of epidemic diseases is only as effective as the amount of homoeopathy applied . .
This is what the 100% of the medical community, including homeopaths, appear to me to be in utter and comtemptuous denial of" The only real epidemiology is homoeopathy.
A book on this subject you all should take a look at online is Bradford's Logic of Figures
"What everyone is having a hard time recognizing is that the most effective vaccines, such as the small pox vaccine, are literally homoeopathic, and therefore it can be said, and it should be said over and again, as it is startling true, that modern medicos saved the world from its most terrible scourge with the unwitting use of crude homoeopathy. This can be seen prima facie in the use of attenuated lymph from cow pox eruptions in cattle, the original “vaccine.”
"Hahnemann, who announced homoeopathy the same year Jenner announced his own discovery in 1796, makes 42 references to smallpox and Jenner in the 1842 Organon of Medicine; but, you don’t need the Organon to know that it’s true.
"Anyone who isn’t blinded by the prejudices taught by allopathy, will have to admit that the basic principle of immunization is the same guiding principle of Hahmemannian homoeopathy: A similar, stronger, temporary artifical disease is inseminated in the patient so as to cure a more chronic insidious one. This is exactly what is done in the use of the small pox vaccine in a posologically more crude way . . In other words, the major difference between the “conventional” use of vaccines is that doctrinal homoeopathy makes conscious use of the principle, whereas allopathy isn’[t aware of it and in epidemiological problems like small pox, homoeopathy, even crudely done as it is, is the only thing that works!
"To see just how effective the conscious use of homoeopathy is epidemiologically, let us briefly examine Thomas Lindsley Bradford’s book “The Logic of Figures." This is a shocking record of deaths from various hospitals, comparing homoeopathic treatment with allopathic treatment (allopathic means non-homoeopathic, patented, invasive, oppositional and heroic "medicine" such as chemotherapy, radiation, leeches, bloodletting, unnecessary surgery, electroshock and poisoning) usually what we take for granted, what we are told is the only thing that can save us.
"Bradford's Logic of Figures is a real show stopper, medicine show stopper, that is. In case after case, epidemic after epidemic, comparison after comparison, homoeopathic treatment has been unexpectedly better than allopathic .
"Read it for yourself, it’s available online from Google books;
The Logic of Figures, Thomas Lindsley Bradford, MD. "
http://books.google.com/books?id=dhM4AA ... &q&f=false

You can download the PDF, print it out and hold it close to your face. Or just skim through it online. Either way I think you will be in for a disturbing surprise.

from "The Logic of Epidemics" http://johnbenneth.wordpress.com/tag/cholera/
John
In a message dated 4/17/2014 7:54:12 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mtbohle@gmail.com writes:
John Benneth, Homoeopath
PG Hom - London (Hons.)
http://johnbenneth.com
SKYPE: John Benneth (Portland, Oregon)
503- 819 - 7777 (USA)

[Lynn Cremona]

You can also go to the following site and download it as a PDF or Kindle
https://archive.org/details/logicoffiguresor00brad

sometimes the kindle download needs to be tried more than once, but it will eventually download
there are quite a few good homeopathy books to be found by searching this site

Best,
Lynn
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[healthinfo6]

It is not fully available online but you can search words in the book and see parts of pages as results.
http://books.google.com/books/about/Med ... Q-AAAAIAAJ
Search "homeopathy" has 3 pages
http://books.google.com/books?id=Z2Q-AA ... homeopathy
Susan

[Ananda Ruchira]

>If you have these diseases in your country, if you are seeing them in

Hi Maria

Apologies for long email below. A quick "class" in tropical diseases.
I tried to organize my thoughts, but some paras may be just thrown in, out of order.

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In Africa/Kenya - depending on localities & timing there are endemics and epidemics of
-typhoid
-dysentery / ameoba infections / rota
-malaria
-tb
-brucellosis (from farm animals)
-menningitis
-whooping cough
-cholera
-bilharzia (in farmers & fishermen, rice growing areas)
-poisoning from tainted maize (fungi, aflatoxin)
-rift valley fever (hemorrhaghic fever, cow-to human transmitted disease)
-ebola (now making its way around W Africa)
-measles sometimes makes its epidemic rounds
-ringworm in children
-intestinal worms (and in W Africa, river blindness, etc)
-polio, to some degree in places
-gonorrhea
-hiv
-.... and lastly .... NBWS war.

My opinion: all these diseases could be 90% controlled with proper improvements in community health & sanitation - simply having public awareness education, proper waste disposal, clean environment and washing one's hands would do away with most of these.

In Kenya I observed in the last 15 years, an increasing boom in autism, vaccinosis of all forms such as what industrialized countries consider "the norm" nowadays.

Your questions:

Without any treatment at all or too late- typhoid, malaria, dysentery, tb, menningitis, rift vally, ebola, polio can kill.

Therefore, everytime we treat these diseases, always warn the patients: go to the hospital if not improved within 24/36 hours. (However, I've had relatively few cases in malaria/ typhoid that needed to do that, homeopathy sorts it out well.)

With appropriate allopathic or alternative medicine, most all these diseases are controlled. But the antibiotics leave a lot of NBWS conditions.

People die of treatable typhoid or malaria, etc -to my experience- is due to those who did not get to a dr in time. Poverty to afford a doctor or distance from a doctor are the usual factors. Other factors are misdiagnosis, mismanagement or incompetence of the drs. In connection to not affording a dr, people try to self-medicate with OTC fever and painkillers. Since its the wrong medicine, they die.
Sx of typhoid and malaria are very similar and often confused in diagnosis. It is possible to have both diseases at the same time. In fact, its possible to be infected with typhoid, ameobae, malaria, brucellosis all at the same time, making it difficult to treat by allo or by homeo. (its a reason why Abha Light homeopaths depend on nosodes in treating these multi-infected pts.)

Malaria
The WHO & Gov't health authorities recommend that if no test is available, but the symptoms "look like malaria" (fever, chills, headache, joint &spine pain, vomiting, diarrhea) then the pharmacist, nurse, dr should consider it as malaria and give the official recommended drug. This leads to a lot of misdiagnosis and deaths.

Despite that every 2-8 years the malaria drugs become useless from drug resistance, many village kiosks and hospitals still sell out-of-fashion drugs. The result is death or at best, serious sideeffects and NBWS.

The present drug of choice is a combo of quinine and artimisin (artemisia annum derivitive). It too is now experiencing resistance and side effects. I think it will go out of fashion as soon as they can find a new drug.

In the villages, people often self-medicate for malaria (having had it frequently, they recognize it). However they rather depend on paracetamol rather than anti-malarials. Research has shown that paracetamol in fact increases suseptability to malaria and should not be taken. But there is no public awareness of this.

People who suffer frequent malaria tend to build up a certain level of immunity (or... with overly compromised immunity, they die). So they just experience a type of chronic sx in slightly milder forms than a full-blown malaria, and generally in periodic bouts. In my own studies of malaria, its still not clear to me how many of these frequent bouts are true original infection, relapsing malaria or quinine toxicity. Its for this reason, I devised in my own practice a 3-Step program to address all possiblities. China-s 5 doses (anti-quinine), followed by Neem 2x tincture for 2-3 weeks (destroy the parasite causing relapsing malaria), followed by Malarix bi-weekly (for prophylaxis) (or for those who wish single rx: Mal. Nos or Chin). In the informal study of over 1500 who have taken this routine, the restoration of health was dramatic- up to 80% success.

We've done mass malaria treatment & prevention in Congo, Kenya and Uganda with Malarix. About 5000 cases in total. I know many homeopaths in Africa treating thousands of malaria cases. Chin is the remedy of choice in most cases but other rx also I know are being used.

Typhoid
My typhoid rx's of choice are: rhus t, arnica, pyrogenum, gels, bry, ant-c, baptisia. Baptisia tincture (1x or 2x) is also effective. If you're into nosodes, typhoidinum should be included in your routine, but will not cure on its own.

Diarrhea in children / Diarrhea of unknown causes (untested)
Children die of diarrhea & measles due to ignorance of parents on how to treat from the home - ORS, clean water, containing the fevers, correct diet during infections, etc, and not getting the children to a dr on time. My remedies of choice: puls, merc-c, ars, podo, aloe, trombodium. Also you could look at crot-tig, gambogia.

High Fever in Children
Children under 5 years who get extreme high fever - either typhoid, malaria or menningitis - and are not well treated in time, will then suffer brain damage, mental retardation and epilepsy. The other major cause is lack of oxygen or damage during childbirth. I conducted a few "epilepsy clinics" in Congo and Kenya and have treated or attempted to treat about 150 such cases. The results are mixed. My recommendation in such cases is that it needs much more research. The brain damage is incurable, many are completely left as "vegetables". A certain amount of benefit can be had from Bar C or other such rx's. The epilepsy can be somewhat controlled by well selected rx, but often not cured. Still, parents reported relief even if not fully cured, they wanted to continue treatment. Those who get epilepsy at an older age are not brain damaged and much more curable. Many cases of so-called epilepsy are quinine-related toxicity.

Bilharzia
I saw a lot of bilharzia (schistosomiasis) where I was visiting in Congo, whole villages affected due to fishing & bathing in infected lakes. Huge bellies with ascites from bloated splenomegaly and hepatomegaly, blood in the urine. I needed to give China+ Ceanothus+ Iodium as a combined 2x tincture (herbal style) to help repair the liver & spleen and reduce the ascites. I was still searching for appropriate rx epidemicus when I had to leave. I don't know if my selected rx's worked fully. I was trying sul-ac, ant-c, ars, chin. I saw some success before I left but didn't see this completely thru.

Worms / Ringworm
In Congo I've done a few mass treatments of different diseases. We had a real fun day when we came up with a 3-step programme for ringworm/ worms in children and in one day treated 1000 children (escorted by their parents). The 3-step was: Bacill 200 1 dose (for ringworm, immunity), followed by Sulphur30, 3 doses (ringworm and general), followed by Calc C + Cina 30, 5 doses. After a week many parents thanked us for clearing up their kids. I've done this routine when i've been invited at a few schools in Kenya as well.

NBWS War
This is not an infectious disease, but I saw a lot of it in Congo. In the area we visit, the war is over, but after 10-15 years of insecurity, there's a lot of ailments people face. I believe much of this, too, could be treated as epidemicus. In Congo, 80-90% of the women have been raped, the men feel guilt for not protecting the women, there's been mass fear, mass insecurity, mass economic deprivation, mass grief. Yet NO ONE talks about war, its nearly taboo to do so. After all when you have lost loved ones or been raped and your neighbours have also been raped and lost loved ones, whose left for you to console you? Everyones suffering and there's nothing to say about it. In that place, I was tossing around a lot of nat mur (grief) or aconite (fear) for "ulcers" "female ailments" "allergies" "disturbed sleep" "hysteria" "seizures" and the list goes on. Not a word about war was mentioned. I had at least 2 cases related to seizures starting after a loud or sudden noise like a door slamming etc (sounds like gunshots)
Vaccination

The overriding opinion by the public is "yes, since what else is there? ya gotta do something and can't just ignore the diseases".

Whether they actually work? Well perhaps they do in many children

But my opinion (lke most of you) the true figures are overblown and covered over by vested interests. I'll maintain that the negative effects far outweigh the benefits. Doctor do no harm- there shouldn't be the mentality of "statistical acceptable loss". If you could see the blooming number of damaged lives growing front of you, you'd realize it's not worth it, especially since homeopathy has a solution.

I'll maintain that the money being poured into vaccines & treatment of these diseases by governments & Big Pharma (& hello Gates!!) could be better utilized in public sanitation and community health and would be more effective, more universal and safer than the vaccines.

Measles outbreaks happen among populations that already have been vaccinated.

TB is on the rapid rise -not decline- despite the blanketing of the population with BCG. - What we feel is vaccinosis - ie lung-related diseases due to BCG (& DPT) -asthma, respiratory distress, chronic sinusitis, allergies,etc is overwhelming, just as in industrialized countries, but goes unreported as side effects of vaccines.

I've had many reports from parents who've complained to their hospitals about their children's side-effects from vaccines but their complaints are diminished and left unreported. No one knows how to get rid of the side effects, so they'd rather just ignore it, even if they "unofficially" acknowledge it. Hospitals won't take responsibility and parents don't have access to legal redress.

I believe *all* of the diseases mentioned above could be addressed thru homeopathy & nutrition - as I've treated most of them at one time or another. A single effective remedy epidemicus could easily address 60-75% of the population en masse (or....gulp... a nosode, or complex could address 60-90% of the population en masse)

The question I have to this discussion group: Are you ready to accept the possibility of mass treatment? And if you're ready for mass treatment (a whole village, how would you do it?)

There are a few in the above list -menningitis in particular - that I've attempted and failed to treat in a timely manner and had to redirect the patients to hospitals. But I'll attribute that more towards my shortcomings as a homeopath rather than the science of homeopathy.

NBWS
In many of the above list I've successfully treated NBWS conditions and readily corrected them, especially NBWS typhoid, malaria, menningitis, dysentery, tb, brucellosis, polio.

In the case of TB it is illegal to NOT refer these cases to the hosptals for treatment. i often treat, however, NBWS and side-effect of TB medicines. On the other hand, since there is now untreatable TB due to drug resistance, I could very well be treating TB itself, tho I don't know that directly. Particularly, pts continue to cough, many times with blood. Phos, Calc C are the most common rx I've prescribed. Since, usually, it sorts out rapidly, I wonder if the combination of antibiotics + homeopathy work together to overcome TB. (ie antibiotics kill off enough of the germs in a weakened body to allow homeo to be effective in restoring VF and sx.)

Typhoid - is common in some areas of the country and in the slums of the innercity. One of the most common places for infection are the village boarding schools (which many children are sent to) where they don't boil the drinking water or have water shortages and cleanliness issues.

Typhoid leaves a great many people with NBWS sx that are readily recognized as such, even by allopathic nurses. When taking the case, the patient usually gives a very confused picture of unexplainable discomforts. It's all about "too many sx, wandering pains, digestive stress, etc" - unaddressed could lead to misdiagnosis of "arthritis" or "rheumatism". By time I realize what I'm looking at (after 15 minutes of jotting down long list of wandering pains and discomforts) my question usually boils down to "are you hot (sulph) or cold (carbo-v)?" by which 3-5 doses of the indicated will sort them out.

In Malaria- quinine toxicity is common - in the form of periodic relapses of malarial sx, or worse, catatonic or epileptic fits. China-sulph usually sorts it out within 3-5 doses, especially the "epilepsy".

Long ago I had a report from a homeopath that they successfully treated ebola after the doctors abandoned the case. (Crot-h)

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ADVICE Please remember when treating - these are acute, infectious diseases and need to be treated by acute rules - that is, frequent doses. Personally, I prefer 30 or lower as I'm trying to avoid aggrv, not encourage them. I've found generally frequent low potencies (less chace of aggrv) to the patient who'll be going away from the clinic and not returning soon, tho I'm sure a lot of controversy can be made on this point. In most cases the sx of the disease dominate over the sx of the individual, hence an epidemicus can be readily found for the people of the time and place you are treating.

Tho this all seems obvious, I write this because of an unfortunate incident we once had with a volunteer at Abha Light. This person had just come from a seminar with S. and was eager to try out that technique. He made the malaria patient suffer thru nearly 2 hours of debitating casetaking looking for the delusion & sensation in her fever. Once we realized he was treating a malaria case, we had to cut him off entirely and just give the px some china. People in an acute fever do not have patience for long drawn out psychological profiling.

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TRAVELLERS
Despite having listed the above long list, the average tourist will generally not be in the unsanitary conditions that will lead to these diseases, so DON'T FEAR to travel. Use the same precautions you use when travelling to any developing country (India? Mexico?) about nets, mossie repellent, clean water, clean hands, and dont indulge too much in foods from kiosks or other restaurants of uncertain quality.

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Having said all that -
We welcome visitors at Abha Light. If you wish to visit our Abha Light well established clinics and get first hand experience in treating these diseases -in cooperation with the local homeopaths who have the experience to guide you, definitely visit our website and volunteers page. You can get to see 50-200 cases in a month - more than you would see in a year in your own place.

If you wish to engage in the exciting experience of pioneering homeopathy, we have a upcoming project in Congo as well as a few of our young homeopaths in Kenya who need mentoring as they start out their new clinics.

Karibu (welcome to) Kenya.
With regards,
Didi Ananda Ruchira | Tel: +254 (0)723-869133 | www.abhalight.org

[John R. Benneth]

This has got to be one of the most amazing and powerful reports made of the use of ionized pharmaceuticals in homeopathic epidemiology I have ever seen.
Didi Ruchira is my nomination for the Nobel Peace Prize for Medicine
John Benneth
In a message dated 4/18/2014 8:09:44 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, abhalight@gmail.com writes:
John Benneth, Homoeopath
PG Hom - London (Hons.)
http://johnbenneth.com
SKYPE: John Benneth (Portland, Oregon)
503- 819 - 7777 (USA)