Hyperextension

[Lynn Cremona]

Possibly:
from 'Synthesis'
[GENERALS] CONNECTIVE TISSUE; affections of:
Acon.br1 alum. apis arg-met. arg-n. aur. bry. calc. calc-f. camph. Carb-an. Caust. clem. colch. Con. dulc. FL-AC. graph. GUAJ. hydrc. kali-bi. kali-c. kali-i. Kali-m. kalm. lac-c. lach. lap-a. lyc. merc.mrr1 nat-m. nat-s. nux-v. phos. Phyt. psor. puls. rad-br. Ran-b. rhod. Rhus-t. ruta sabin. Sec. sep. sil. staph. sulph. thuj. tub.
no Calc fl. in the following:

[EXTREMITIES - LOOSENESS - sensation of looseness] . Joints:
agar. arg-met. arg-n. bov. bry. bufo calc-p. caps. carb-an. caust. chel. croc. dulc. falco-pe. fl-ac. kali-bi. m-ambo. med. nat-c. nat-m. ph-ac. phos. phyt. positr. Psor. STRAM. sulph. thuj. wildb
[EXTREMITIES - LOOSENESS - sensation of looseness - Joints] .. Small joints:
carb-an. nat-c.
[EXTREMITIES - LOOSENESS - sensation of looseness] . Knee joints:
bov. chel. ph-ac. phos. psor. sumb. thuj.
[EXTREMITIES - LOOSENESS - sensation of looseness - Shoulders] .. Joints: Croc.
FACE - LOOSE sensation - Lower jaw - Joints: sabad.
Scholten's 'Homeopathy and Minerals' chapter on Fluoratums

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[Rochelle]

I’m sure there is a rubric but the best I can come up with at the moment is Complete 2012, Extremities; looseness; sensation of; joints: (23) aquila-a, arg, bov, calen, calop-s, chel, clad-r, CROC, falco-p, harp, med, MEZ, nat-c, ph-ac, phos, posit, psor, STRAM, sumb, TAX, thuj, VISC, wild,
Rochelle
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Fran Sheffield
Sent: 06 February 2014 23:38
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Minutus] Hyperextension
Can someone point me to a rubric/s that cover
hyperextension of joints - ie, fingers, elbows, knees bend backwards
more than they should.

I know Calc-fl is a key remedy but am trying to find others that may be
listed ... and can't find a suitable rubric.

Many thanks.

[Rochelle]

I think this is the one I was thinking of which doesn’t really describe it. Murphy3, Clinical; DISLOCATIONS, joints, of; easy, dislocation (21) am-c, bry, calc, cann-i, carb-an, carb-v, con, hep, kali-n, lyc, merc, NAT-C, nat-m, nit-ac, nux-v, petr, phos, RHUS-T, RUTA, stront-c, sulph,
Rochelle
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Fran Sheffield
Sent: 06 February 2014 23:38
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Minutus] Hyperextension
Can someone point me to a rubric/s that cover
hyperextension of joints - ie, fingers, elbows, knees bend backwards
more than they should.

I know Calc-fl is a key remedy but am trying to find others that may be
listed ... and can't find a suitable rubric.

Many thanks.

[Rochelle]

I’ve found another better one!!!! Complete 2012, Extremities; relaxation; joints: (11) aids, apis, bar-c, CALC, laur, lith-c, nux-v, phos, plb, sulph, THUJ,
That’s your lot J
Rochelle
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Fran Sheffield
Sent: 06 February 2014 23:38
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Minutus] Hyperextension
Can someone point me to a rubric/s that cover
hyperextension of joints - ie, fingers, elbows, knees bend backwards
more than they should.

I know Calc-fl is a key remedy but am trying to find others that may be
listed ... and can't find a suitable rubric.

Many thanks.

[Rochelle Marsden]

I sent 3 emails but they have not shown up, I don't know why as they are in my sent folder!! So, I will post the rubrics I found in this one being sent on the Yahoo website:-
I’m sure there is a rubric but the best I can come up with at the moment is Complete 2012, Extremities; looseness; sensation of; joints: (23) aquila-a, arg, bov, calen, calop-s, chel, clad-r, CROC, falco-p, harp, med, MEZ, nat-c, ph-ac, phos, posit, psor, STRAM, sumb, TAX, thuj, VISC, wild,
I think this is the one I was thinking of which doesn’t really describe it. Murphy3, Clinical; DISLOCATIONS, joints, of; easy, dislocation (21) am-c, bry, calc, cann-i, carb-an, carb-v, con, hep, kali-n, lyc, merc, NAT-C, nat-m, nit-ac, nux-v, petr, phos, RHUS-T, RUTA, stront-c, sulph,
I’ve found another better one!!!! Complete 2012, Extremities; relaxation; joints: (11) aids, apis, bar-c, CALC, laur, lith-c, nux-v, phos, plb, sulph, THUJ,
That’s your lot
Rochelle

[Tanya Marquette]

all you posts showed up
t
From: rochellemarsden@talktalk.net
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2014 7:47 PM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Minutus] RE: Hyperextension

I sent 3 emails but they have not shown up, I don't know why as they are in my sent folder!! So, I will post the rubrics I found in this one being sent on the Yahoo website:-
I’m sure there is a rubric but the best I can come up with at the moment is Complete 2012, Extremities; looseness; sensation of; joints: (23) aquila-a, arg, bov, calen, calop-s, chel, clad-r, CROC, falco-p, harp, med, MEZ, nat-c, ph-ac, phos, posit, psor, STRAM, sumb, TAX, thuj, VISC, wild,
I think this is the one I was thinking of which doesn’t really describe it. Murphy3, Clinical; DISLOCATIONS, joints, of; easy, dislocation (21) am-c, bry, calc, cann-i, carb-an, carb-v, con, hep, kali-n, lyc, merc, NAT-C, nat-m, nit-ac, nux-v, petr, phos, RHUS-T, RUTA, stront-c, sulph,
I’ve found another better one!!!! Complete 2012, Extremities; relaxation; joints: (11) aids, apis, bar-c, CALC, laur, lith-c, nux-v, phos, plb, sulph, THUJ,
That’s your lot
Rochelle

[Rochelle]

Soroush has been in touch with me to say the reason why they didn’t show is for some reason Yahoo has put me onto having my posts Moderated and he couldn’t find how to edit this. I have just sent another post which he is going to try and see if he can take me off moderation with. And of course there is this one as well. Yahoo have changed their website recently and although I am also a moderator of another homeopathic group I have to admit I haven’t taken anyone off moderation for a while. If a new person joins our group the posts are moderated until someone takes the m off moderation. There are 3 moderators on the Homeopathy- Open group. It differs from this group in that it is not strictly classical and that other suggestions like herbal can be discussed. It also doesn’t allow for anyone asking for help with a case or prescribing for anyone. It is a discussion group.
Rochelle
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From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tamarque
Sent: 07 February 2014 13:43
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] RE: Hyperextension
all you posts showed up
t
From: rochellemarsden@talktalk.net

Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2014 7:47 PM

To: minutus@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [Minutus] RE: Hyperextension
I sent 3 emails but they have not shown up, I don't know why as they are in my sent folder!! So, I will post the rubrics I found in this one being sent on the Yahoo website:-
I’m sure there is a rubric but the best I can come up with at the moment is Complete 2012, Extremities; looseness; sensation of; joints: (23) aquila-a, arg, bov, calen, calop-s, chel, clad-r, CROC, falco-p, harp, med, MEZ, nat-c, ph-ac, phos, posit, psor, STRAM, sumb, TAX, thuj, VISC, wild,
I think this is the one I was thinking of which doesn’t really describe it. Murphy3, Clinical; DISLOCATIONS, joints, of; easy, dislocation (21) am-c, bry, calc, cann-i, carb-an, carb-v, con, hep, kali-n, lyc, merc, NAT-C, nat-m, nit-ac, nux-v, petr, phos, RHUS-T, RUTA, stront-c, sulph,
I’ve found another better one!!!! Complete 2012, Extremities; relaxation; joints: (11) aids, apis, bar-c, CALC, laur, lith-c, nux-v, phos, plb, sulph, THUJ,
That’s your lot
Rochelle

[Dale Moss]

Fran,
There's a remark in one of Alfons Geukens' casebooks about how young people needing Calc-c. seem to have hands that are boneless. They're not just soft or flabby; the fingers can be easily bent back.
Is hyperextension a weakness of the joints or of the ligaments? It seems to me that a lot of remedies with what used to be called "flaccid fiber" might fit. Or, as Dr. Roz puts it, "weak connective tissue."
Interestingly, Digby puts weak connective tissue in the Psoric miasm.
Peace,
Dale

[Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD]

The joints are held together by capsules, ligaments and tendons; remove them and the whole skeleton falls apart, almost all of the joints separate.

Our "weakness" as homeopaths is the inability to find out what makes the connective tissues weak or flaccid or whatever other denomination you prefer to use.

Ehler-Danlos, if I remember well, is genetic autosomal dominant (meaning you need only one and not both genes defective) collagen weakness; the effectiveness of Calc F on its symptoms is a great demonstration of epigenetic action of a homeopathic remedy.

Nutritional deficiencies (vitamin C, amino acids, etc,...) can also cause collagen weakness, often with other characteristic symptoms, but sometimes not.

Gymnasts and yoga practitioners have clearly demonstrated that intense training can lead to hyperlaxity, albeit without complaints.

The points made by all the rubrics and the remedies offered in this thread are that we should not automatically equate hyperlaxity with Calc F, although we might add it (yes I know!) to a more general treatment to hasten repair as a focused remedy. In my view, you will know the "wider" remedy has acted by the removal of other symptoms, if there were any, Calc F or any other additional remedy would act in synergy.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD "The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind" www.naturamedica.webs.com

[Ellen Madono]

Hypermobility affects 1 in 10,000 to 15,000 and is caused by an autosomal dominant or autosomal recessive mechanism. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ehlers–Danlos_syndrome So Ehler-Danlos, could not be the only explanation for the hyper mobility that we see. It is quite common. In any case, Dr. Roz's comments apply.
Dr. Roz, do you mean you would find the individualized remedy to be given at a slightly higher potency and give a lower potency of Calc-f?
Thanks,
Ellen