What to do about vaccination when traveling with children?

[Lucy De Pieri]

Hi all

I have a patients with 2 young children (3 years and 8 months) planning to travel to Nigeria in January. She told me that polio is endemic there and she is also very worried about tetanus.

How can I help her in providing the information she needs to needs to make an informed decision?

Thank you in advance for your help
Kind regards

Lucy

[comdyne2002]

Vaccines cannot possibly work. The medical profession does not know the mechanism of disease. They openly admit their ignorance. Why do you believe in them? They are totally clueless.
The medical schools were Shanghied by Big Money. 100 years ago doctors routinely cured diseases that are killing us today. Cancer wasn't even considered to be a serious condition! We are being hosed on a grandiose scale. The outcome of the Nuremberg Trials was a win for Germany. The Nazi drug companies remained, only the main organization was disbanded. Search "I.G. Farben" for details.
Dwight Eisenhower warned us and we didn't listen. Now we suffer the consequences. Medical doctors are serial killers, most don'e even know it - avoid them! Caveat Emptor! Carmi Hazen
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Please have her contact me privately.
Is she a non-vaccinating parent, so far?

No vaccine gives immunity ever
You don't get immunity to tetanus after having tetanus, so not able to have immunity from that vaccine either.
And polio is not what we have been told. http://www.wellwithin1.com/PolioWest.htm

but I'll be happy to talk with her and also provide names of other groups that are helpful too
Sheri
http://vaccinationdangers.wordpress.com is my webpage
At 10:56 AM 10/9/2013, you wrote:

[Lucy De Pieri]

Thank you for your reply. I know vaccinations do not work, but mom was interested in homeoprophylaxis
Lucy
Vaccines cannot possibly work. The medical profession does not know the mechanism of disease. They openly admit their ignorance. Why do you believe in them? They are totally clueless.
The medical schools were Shanghied by Big Money. 100 years ago doctors routinely cured diseases that are killing us today. Cancer wasn't even considered to be a serious condition! We are being hosed on a grandiose scale. The outcome of the Nuremberg Trials was a win for Germany. The Nazi drug companies remained, only the main organization was disbanded. Search "I.G. Farben" for details.
Dwight Eisenhower warned us and we didn't listen. Now we suffer the consequences. Medical doctors are serial killers, most don'e even know it - avoid them! Caveat Emptor! Carmi Hazen
---In minutus@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
Please have her contact me privately.
Is she a non-vaccinating parent, so far?

No vaccine gives immunity ever
You don't get immunity to tetanus after having tetanus, so not able to have immunity from that vaccine either.
And polio is not what we have been told. http://www.wellwithin1.com/PolioWest.htm

but I'll be happy to talk with her and also provide names of other groups that are helpful too
Sheri
http://vaccinationdangers.wordpress.com is my webpage
At 10:56 AM 10/9/2013, you wrote:

[Fran Sheffield]

LOL - I had to laugh when I read this Sheri.

I think the only area in which we probably disagree is in the understanding of Isaac's "protocol" and what he recommends regarding it.

Prophylaxis does not have to be an all or nothing approach - and I am sure this is Isaac's position. Prophylactics can be used selectively and at parent or traveller discretion. I think any misunderstanding about Isaac giving prophylactics routinely for anything / everything under the sun comes from assuming his research protocol is all that happens in his or any one else's practice.

Parents, as in all things, try to make the best decision for their family when given all the information. For some, that means still giving all the vaccines (sad for some of us to think about, I know), replacing every vaccine available with a homeoprophylactic, or selectively using vaccines or prophylactics. The choice has to be theirs to make and as the prophylactics seem to only have a strengthening effect, who are we to deny them their right to choice. If the prophylactics were useless or harmful it would be a different matter but all evidence points to the contrary.

And as for selective use, if I were a traveller I would be definitely wanting to protect against malaria, for example, but would ignore chickenpox - but that is me. Prophylaxis, and I know Isaac would agree with this, is not about putting people on a specific schedule for all infectious diseases but providing them with information about what is a potentially fearful situation for them. For some parents, the fear is so great that for them it is a case of either vaccinate, replace a vaccine with a prophylactic, or perish. These are the ones that do "everything". We may not agree on principle with this approach or with their fear but the choice is still theirs to make.
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Kind regards,

Fran Sheffield

[Fran Sheffield]

Yes, that may not be our way of doing things - having people take them for everything but many have been so frightened by the vaccine dogma that they insist on protection by something - vaccines or prophylactics - for them, even with education, it's not going to be nothing if we withhold the prophylactics and to my way of thinking it is much safer for them to have the prophylactics than the vaccine.

While nosodes are not our only prophylactics, and not always our best ones, it would be wonderful to have research on whether or not mass treatment of populations who cannot afford or do not have access to individualised treatment (which would obviously be the better) improves the health of that population as that is what appeared to happen in Isaac's study. The children given nosodes had less chronic disease than those from the naturopathic and "lets do nothing" prevention groups. I think everyone knows by now that they were also significantly healthier than the vaccinated group which had the poorest health of all. If that sort of improvement held to be true in other groups it then poses the philosophical dilemma of whether or not everybody be offered the nosodes for this purpose?

Another philosophical fly in the ointment is the mother-to-be. Do we offer the German measles nosode when the risk of exposure is possible and potentially unknown? It is difficult to argue that only constitutional treatment should be offered when we know that takes time with homeopathy being a process rather than a one hit wonder.

Discussion is important because those who come to us for information are at real risk from two sources - vaccine injury and infectious disease (however you like to to understand that last one) - we don't want to mislead them about either.
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Kind regards,

Fran Sheffield
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[Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD]

Isn't that what was done in Cuba, twice, first Leptospirosis, the Influenza, with the same positive outcomes, no individualisation?

Joe.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD. "The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind". www.naturamedica.webs.com

[Fran Sheffield]

Yes, and they break the cycle of emerging dengue epidemics by both treatment and prophylaxis with homeopathy - not with the genus epidemicus (because those organising it are not homeopaths but scientists, I believe) but with the nosode.

But, it would be good to know if the use of the childhood disease nosodes improve the health of populations in general and in regard to chronic disease. We already assert that catching these diseases naturally is one way the miasmatic burden is reduced so it would be nice to know if, as Isaac's research seemed to indicate, if an energetic exposure to those same diseases had the same effect.
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Kind regards,

Fran Sheffield

[Irene de Villiers]

There's nothing "so-called" about it, in theory or in practiice.
Read Aph 141. fr the theory
Read Isaac Golden for the implementation proof.

......Irene

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P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
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"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[Irene de Villiers]

According to Aph 141 they must do, and it surely seems so in the animal cases I know of.

......Irene
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"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[Irene de Villiers]

Per the Polio Global Eradication Initiative:
In the north [Bauchi Local Government Area (LGA), Borno and Kano states] especially yes, and so far in 2013 there are 49 cases of all 3 strains combined, and a major OPV vaccine effort is happening now early Oct in the North.

Nigerians get ill with it because of the harsh conditions there.
CDC says:
"A small number of people (4 to 8 people out of 100) will have flu-like symptoms. These symptoms usually last 2 to 5 days then go away on their own.
In rare cases, poliovirus infection can be very serious. About 1 out of 100 people will have weakness or paralysis in their arms, legs, or both. This paralysis or weakness can last a lifetime."

It spreads through contact with saliva or feces, if it is swallowed. (Touching infected toys and then eating a sandwich without hand washing and so on. Rule" Keep hands away forom mouth unless washed, have saniwipes or plastic gloves in handbag/purse or pocket if in danger areas with infected people.)

My cousin is a homeopath whose husband was badly crippled by polio. I say WAS, as after she got him on matched remedy, he recovered almost completely, he just has a very slight limp if you look for it.

[She happens to specialize in helping people with paralysis, using homeopathy, physiotherapy and touch-for-health systems. When she has completed a consult, she goes to the window, opens it, and strokes her arms, each with the other hand alternately, from shoulders to fingertips (one way only) a few times, then shakes off the negative energy downwards out of the window - does it between cases and at end of cases. Says she can get quite ill if she retains all the negative energy she removes from clients.]

I'd use a preventive nosode if it was me going to a nasty illnes area. Plus some Moducare 6 caps a day - NEVER missing a day - to keep my thymus healthy in general.
Why? It is everywhere. Is she expecting to get bitten or something?
Hypericum, and Ledum are prophylactic and can be used after a tetanus incident (puncture wound).
If I get a puncture wound, I just apply both topically and by mouth.
I'd for sure take a first aid homeopathy kit if I was going there - or anywhere:-)

A little preparation can remove all the worry. She's smart to plan.

Namaste,
Irene

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P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."