Ok,
I have a question. I was reading the thread about nursing allopathy vs. Homeopathy. My daughter wants to learn to be a Vet, but I told her she should use Homeopathy vs. medical. I thought it might be a good idea for her to learn allopathy way for serious injuries, the car hit, broken bones, etc. Is this a good idea? What would be the best course of action on this?
Thanks,
Lisa
Veterinary Question (was Michael Douglas)
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Tanya Marquette
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Re: Veterinary Question (was Michael Douglas)
Personally, I think it better to learn the homeopathic protocol. If she
wants to later on go for training for more heroic medicine, then she will
at least have the holistic principles well established in her thinking.
I always think of the statement by Timothy Dooley in his book Homeopathy: Beyond Flat Earth Medicine.
He studied as a naturopath and specialized in homeopathy but felt he might be
missing something. So he went back to school for his MD degree. On the question
of what did he miss by not having his MD? Nothing!
I understand that the MDs on this list take offense at some of my statements against
allopathy and my intent is not to offend them as they are good practitioners of homeopathy.
However, the system of allopathy needs to be kept in perspective. It is a secondary approach
to healing, doing its best in emergencies.
What such a degree does do is allow a practice with high fees. This is not about healing.
t
From: malica98@comcast.net
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 9:11 AM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Minutus] Veterinary Question (was Michael Douglas)
Ok,
I have a question. I was reading the thread about nursing allopathy vs. Homeopathy. My daughter wants to learn to be a Vet, but I told her she should use Homeopathy vs. medical. I thought it might be a good idea for her to learn allopathy way for serious injuries, the car hit, broken bones, etc. Is this a good idea? What would be the best course of action on this?
Thanks,
Lisa
wants to later on go for training for more heroic medicine, then she will
at least have the holistic principles well established in her thinking.
I always think of the statement by Timothy Dooley in his book Homeopathy: Beyond Flat Earth Medicine.
He studied as a naturopath and specialized in homeopathy but felt he might be
missing something. So he went back to school for his MD degree. On the question
of what did he miss by not having his MD? Nothing!
I understand that the MDs on this list take offense at some of my statements against
allopathy and my intent is not to offend them as they are good practitioners of homeopathy.
However, the system of allopathy needs to be kept in perspective. It is a secondary approach
to healing, doing its best in emergencies.
What such a degree does do is allow a practice with high fees. This is not about healing.
t
From: malica98@comcast.net
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 9:11 AM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Minutus] Veterinary Question (was Michael Douglas)
Ok,
I have a question. I was reading the thread about nursing allopathy vs. Homeopathy. My daughter wants to learn to be a Vet, but I told her she should use Homeopathy vs. medical. I thought it might be a good idea for her to learn allopathy way for serious injuries, the car hit, broken bones, etc. Is this a good idea? What would be the best course of action on this?
Thanks,
Lisa
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Sheri Nakken
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Re: Veterinary Question (was Michael Douglas)
exactly. Also Luc de Schepper, MD. who left allopathy very early and there are many others
They (allopathy & homeopathy) are very separate systems and very separate ways of looking at the body and health and disease
An excellent book I am now reading, written by a homeopath in the UK helps explain this - shows the difference in view and how you will not get healing or cure with the allopathic system
SomaWisdom
http://astore.amazon.com/wellwithin/detail/0956691404 - book
http://astore.amazon.com/wellwithin/detail/B009B8QPOC Kindle
about the book from the webpage:
This book has so much of what I teach in my classes and on lists and he has put it together in an incredible way. And makes it understandable for the public
This book reveals the benefits of working with the intelligence of the body during illness, and contrasts that with the serious consequences of simply trying to stop symptoms with medication.
SomaWisdom helps us to understand the reasons for the current explosion of serious and chronic disease that is affecting epidemic proportions of adults and young children all over the world.
and
Uniquely, this book will help holistic health professionals to understand how to incorporate the medical sciences into their practise and at the same time provides a bridge for those in orthodox medicine to understand the rationale and science of the holistic therapist.
I can't recommend this highly enough and your homeopathic school program should have anatomy and physiology & pathology & disease as part of the program to give you some basis in the body and science (although sometimes not from a very helpful perspective - more allopathic).
The key for a homeopath is to learn as much as they can about anatomy and physiology and study the alternate views of pathology and disease that are coming to light again (the above book, info about Bechamp, Enderlein, Rife and Naessen and more (pleomorphism view).
I also found another book that I haven't started yet - The Ultimate Conspiracy by James McCumiskey http://astore.amazon.com/wellwithin/detail/0755214706 and Virus Mania http://astore.amazon.com/wellwithin/detail/1425114679
Enjoy the journey
Sheri
At 06:22 AM 6/11/2013, you wrote:
Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath
http://homeopathycures.wordpress.com/ & http://vaccinationdangers.wordpress.com/
ONLINE/Email classes in Homeopathy; Vaccine Dangers; Childhood Diseases
Next classes start April 18, 19, 25
They (allopathy & homeopathy) are very separate systems and very separate ways of looking at the body and health and disease
An excellent book I am now reading, written by a homeopath in the UK helps explain this - shows the difference in view and how you will not get healing or cure with the allopathic system
SomaWisdom
http://astore.amazon.com/wellwithin/detail/0956691404 - book
http://astore.amazon.com/wellwithin/detail/B009B8QPOC Kindle
about the book from the webpage:
This book has so much of what I teach in my classes and on lists and he has put it together in an incredible way. And makes it understandable for the public
This book reveals the benefits of working with the intelligence of the body during illness, and contrasts that with the serious consequences of simply trying to stop symptoms with medication.
SomaWisdom helps us to understand the reasons for the current explosion of serious and chronic disease that is affecting epidemic proportions of adults and young children all over the world.
and
Uniquely, this book will help holistic health professionals to understand how to incorporate the medical sciences into their practise and at the same time provides a bridge for those in orthodox medicine to understand the rationale and science of the holistic therapist.
I can't recommend this highly enough and your homeopathic school program should have anatomy and physiology & pathology & disease as part of the program to give you some basis in the body and science (although sometimes not from a very helpful perspective - more allopathic).
The key for a homeopath is to learn as much as they can about anatomy and physiology and study the alternate views of pathology and disease that are coming to light again (the above book, info about Bechamp, Enderlein, Rife and Naessen and more (pleomorphism view).
I also found another book that I haven't started yet - The Ultimate Conspiracy by James McCumiskey http://astore.amazon.com/wellwithin/detail/0755214706 and Virus Mania http://astore.amazon.com/wellwithin/detail/1425114679
Enjoy the journey
Sheri
At 06:22 AM 6/11/2013, you wrote:
Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath
http://homeopathycures.wordpress.com/ & http://vaccinationdangers.wordpress.com/
ONLINE/Email classes in Homeopathy; Vaccine Dangers; Childhood Diseases
Next classes start April 18, 19, 25
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Tanya Marquette
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Re: Veterinary Question (was Michael Douglas)
Misha Norland’s school in Devon, England offers courses on anatomy and physiology and
pathology long distance. I think there are couple of others, too.
t
From: Sheri Nakken
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 12:07 PM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Veterinary Question (was Michael Douglas)
exactly. Also Luc de Schepper, MD. who left allopathy very early and there are many others
They (allopathy & homeopathy) are very separate systems and very separate ways of looking at the body and health and disease
An excellent book I am now reading, written by a homeopath in the UK helps explain this - shows the difference in view and how you will not get healing or cure with the allopathic system
SomaWisdom
http://astore.amazon.com/wellwithin/detail/0956691404 - book
http://astore.amazon.com/wellwithin/detail/B009B8QPOC Kindle
about the book from the webpage:
This book has so much of what I teach in my classes and on lists and he has put it together in an incredible way. And makes it understandable for the public
This book reveals the benefits of working with the intelligence of the body during illness, and contrasts that with the serious consequences of simply trying to stop symptoms with medication.
SomaWisdom helps us to understand the reasons for the current explosion of serious and chronic disease that is affecting epidemic proportions of adults and young children all over the world.
and
Uniquely, this book will help holistic health professionals to understand how to incorporate the medical sciences into their practise and at the same time provides a bridge for those in orthodox medicine to understand the rationale and science of the holistic therapist.
I can't recommend this highly enough and your homeopathic school program should have anatomy and physiology & pathology & disease as part of the program to give you some basis in the body and science (although sometimes not from a very helpful perspective - more allopathic).
The key for a homeopath is to learn as much as they can about anatomy and physiology and study the alternate views of pathology and disease that are coming to light again (the above book, info about Bechamp, Enderlein, Rife and Naessen and more (pleomorphism view).
I also found another book that I haven't started yet - The Ultimate Conspiracy by James McCumiskey http://astore.amazon.com/wellwithin/detail/0755214706 and Virus Mania http://astore.amazon.com/wellwithin/detail/1425114679
Enjoy the journey
Sheri
At 06:22 AM 6/11/2013, you wrote:
Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath
http://homeopathycures.wordpress.com/ & http://vaccinationdangers.wordpress.com/
ONLINE/Email classes in Homeopathy; Vaccine Dangers; Childhood Diseases
Next classes start April 18, 19, 25
pathology long distance. I think there are couple of others, too.
t
From: Sheri Nakken
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 12:07 PM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Veterinary Question (was Michael Douglas)
exactly. Also Luc de Schepper, MD. who left allopathy very early and there are many others
They (allopathy & homeopathy) are very separate systems and very separate ways of looking at the body and health and disease
An excellent book I am now reading, written by a homeopath in the UK helps explain this - shows the difference in view and how you will not get healing or cure with the allopathic system
SomaWisdom
http://astore.amazon.com/wellwithin/detail/0956691404 - book
http://astore.amazon.com/wellwithin/detail/B009B8QPOC Kindle
about the book from the webpage:
This book has so much of what I teach in my classes and on lists and he has put it together in an incredible way. And makes it understandable for the public
This book reveals the benefits of working with the intelligence of the body during illness, and contrasts that with the serious consequences of simply trying to stop symptoms with medication.
SomaWisdom helps us to understand the reasons for the current explosion of serious and chronic disease that is affecting epidemic proportions of adults and young children all over the world.
and
Uniquely, this book will help holistic health professionals to understand how to incorporate the medical sciences into their practise and at the same time provides a bridge for those in orthodox medicine to understand the rationale and science of the holistic therapist.
I can't recommend this highly enough and your homeopathic school program should have anatomy and physiology & pathology & disease as part of the program to give you some basis in the body and science (although sometimes not from a very helpful perspective - more allopathic).
The key for a homeopath is to learn as much as they can about anatomy and physiology and study the alternate views of pathology and disease that are coming to light again (the above book, info about Bechamp, Enderlein, Rife and Naessen and more (pleomorphism view).
I also found another book that I haven't started yet - The Ultimate Conspiracy by James McCumiskey http://astore.amazon.com/wellwithin/detail/0755214706 and Virus Mania http://astore.amazon.com/wellwithin/detail/1425114679
Enjoy the journey
Sheri
At 06:22 AM 6/11/2013, you wrote:
Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath
http://homeopathycures.wordpress.com/ & http://vaccinationdangers.wordpress.com/
ONLINE/Email classes in Homeopathy; Vaccine Dangers; Childhood Diseases
Next classes start April 18, 19, 25
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Irene de Villiers
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Re: Veterinary Question (was Michael Douglas)
Dear Lisa,
I'll answer as someone who studied medical school before turning to veterinary homeopathy. I've been a veterinary homeopathy for a few decades now.
I would suggest that your daughter learn very specific things in the conventional way, such as anatomy, physiology, metabolism, pathology, microbiology, and how to really interpret blood/lab work.
For animals these areas are extremely relevant to tell the veterinary homeopath what the animal cannot describe. It will also ensure that the right problems are addressed. That applies to chronic disease as well as acute situations as you are asking about.
It's relevant to know if a foot/ankle has broken bone or is mainly ripped tissues or both for example, and to understand when someone says their horse has laminitis or their newborn cria (baby llama) is not nursing.
Now to get specific to your question. Injuries come in two categories from this perspective - those that need surgery (in which case send them to a veterinary surgeon after first aid), and those that do not need surgery.
Homeopathy will cure an injury in about half the time of allopathy. It will also address injuries that allopathy cannot handle such as spinal paralyis in a cat after a car accident, and healing of multiple broken bones, or sequestered bone infection.
Some examples I have had where homeopathy was wonderful:
* Cria born during below zero weather, whose forelimb broke when she landed on the ground (birth takes about 20 mins for a llama, standing to deliver, this one was a rescue, crias can arrive any time of year if permitted to breed). Her ears froze off too, before the little one was discovered and warmed indoors. The upper limb developed a bone infection but grew new bone around the infection. The vet's answer was amputation. But homeopathy cold heal the sequestered infection and now she's a happy adult on four legs.
* Cat who smashed several foot bones, found that way by owner arriving home, nobody knows what happened.
Vet wanted to put in some screws but said the foot would essentially become solid/infelexible. Instead, a soft cast was used, and homeopathic remedies for bone and tissue rebuilding. That cat is now running around as if nothing had happened.
* SMall dog hit by a tractor, with broken pelvis. Vet said nothing cold be done and even if it healed, a nerve would be impinged due to the way it broke. The dog was kept quiet in a giant soft high sided bed, and homeopathy used for nerve and bone injuries. He was running around fine.
* My own broken wrist (in 3 places), I went to get a cast from the allopaths, but I used homeopathic remedies, and 2 days later I cut off half the cast to enable me to get back to knitting and I kept trimming it as I healed, and was fully well in 3 weeks, where allopathy gives 6 weeks in a cast.
* Cat with a broken diaphragm. He was struggling for air as the diaphragm is needed to make a suitable hollow area for lungs to function. Did not now if he'd survive to surgery time. Vet said he had almost no chance of lasting till surgery could help. Homeopathy helped him breathe, and prevented going into shock, surgery was done and homeopathy speeded the recovery.
* I've had two cats to look after, who had spinal paralysis, both functioning just fine thanks to homeopathy, though the spine takes several months to heal with homeopathy.
After a car accident I'd rush the injured individual to the vet, to find out WHAT is wrong and where and to find out whether surgical fixing is needed. (This is mainly because we do not have xray eyes; we can still do first aid on scene first such as stopping bleeding with calendula, Aconitum or Arnica for shock, setting obvious broken bones with splints, etc).
So bottom line is that homeopathy will help heal whatever is injured, in about half the time - but if surgery is needed, then that is relevant to arrange. There are cases where homeopathy will avert the need for surgery - for example the cria above, and the cat with broken foot - and some cases of arthritis also come to mind. The judgement needed for this, requires understanding of the above listed subject areas - and possibly veterinary lab procedures such as xrays or other tests. I make MAXIMUM use of veterinary diagnostic information.
Any open infected wounds, broken bones, damaged tissues, will all heal much better and faster and minus scars by homeopathy than by allopathy. But you can not spay a cat by homeopathy or reconstruct one that has been almost chewed in half by a coyote - surgery IS needed. However, homeopathic remedies CAN make those procedures minus shock and less painful and faster to heal.
The better one understands the structure and workings of the body, and of pathology issues, the better one can judge what is needed where, why and how fast. When in doubt, look for more information with which to make good judements. Allopathy has some good information courses.
Namaste,
Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
I'll answer as someone who studied medical school before turning to veterinary homeopathy. I've been a veterinary homeopathy for a few decades now.
I would suggest that your daughter learn very specific things in the conventional way, such as anatomy, physiology, metabolism, pathology, microbiology, and how to really interpret blood/lab work.
For animals these areas are extremely relevant to tell the veterinary homeopath what the animal cannot describe. It will also ensure that the right problems are addressed. That applies to chronic disease as well as acute situations as you are asking about.
It's relevant to know if a foot/ankle has broken bone or is mainly ripped tissues or both for example, and to understand when someone says their horse has laminitis or their newborn cria (baby llama) is not nursing.
Now to get specific to your question. Injuries come in two categories from this perspective - those that need surgery (in which case send them to a veterinary surgeon after first aid), and those that do not need surgery.
Homeopathy will cure an injury in about half the time of allopathy. It will also address injuries that allopathy cannot handle such as spinal paralyis in a cat after a car accident, and healing of multiple broken bones, or sequestered bone infection.
Some examples I have had where homeopathy was wonderful:
* Cria born during below zero weather, whose forelimb broke when she landed on the ground (birth takes about 20 mins for a llama, standing to deliver, this one was a rescue, crias can arrive any time of year if permitted to breed). Her ears froze off too, before the little one was discovered and warmed indoors. The upper limb developed a bone infection but grew new bone around the infection. The vet's answer was amputation. But homeopathy cold heal the sequestered infection and now she's a happy adult on four legs.
* Cat who smashed several foot bones, found that way by owner arriving home, nobody knows what happened.
Vet wanted to put in some screws but said the foot would essentially become solid/infelexible. Instead, a soft cast was used, and homeopathic remedies for bone and tissue rebuilding. That cat is now running around as if nothing had happened.
* SMall dog hit by a tractor, with broken pelvis. Vet said nothing cold be done and even if it healed, a nerve would be impinged due to the way it broke. The dog was kept quiet in a giant soft high sided bed, and homeopathy used for nerve and bone injuries. He was running around fine.
* My own broken wrist (in 3 places), I went to get a cast from the allopaths, but I used homeopathic remedies, and 2 days later I cut off half the cast to enable me to get back to knitting and I kept trimming it as I healed, and was fully well in 3 weeks, where allopathy gives 6 weeks in a cast.
* Cat with a broken diaphragm. He was struggling for air as the diaphragm is needed to make a suitable hollow area for lungs to function. Did not now if he'd survive to surgery time. Vet said he had almost no chance of lasting till surgery could help. Homeopathy helped him breathe, and prevented going into shock, surgery was done and homeopathy speeded the recovery.
* I've had two cats to look after, who had spinal paralysis, both functioning just fine thanks to homeopathy, though the spine takes several months to heal with homeopathy.
After a car accident I'd rush the injured individual to the vet, to find out WHAT is wrong and where and to find out whether surgical fixing is needed. (This is mainly because we do not have xray eyes; we can still do first aid on scene first such as stopping bleeding with calendula, Aconitum or Arnica for shock, setting obvious broken bones with splints, etc).
So bottom line is that homeopathy will help heal whatever is injured, in about half the time - but if surgery is needed, then that is relevant to arrange. There are cases where homeopathy will avert the need for surgery - for example the cria above, and the cat with broken foot - and some cases of arthritis also come to mind. The judgement needed for this, requires understanding of the above listed subject areas - and possibly veterinary lab procedures such as xrays or other tests. I make MAXIMUM use of veterinary diagnostic information.
Any open infected wounds, broken bones, damaged tissues, will all heal much better and faster and minus scars by homeopathy than by allopathy. But you can not spay a cat by homeopathy or reconstruct one that has been almost chewed in half by a coyote - surgery IS needed. However, homeopathic remedies CAN make those procedures minus shock and less painful and faster to heal.
The better one understands the structure and workings of the body, and of pathology issues, the better one can judge what is needed where, why and how fast. When in doubt, look for more information with which to make good judements. Allopathy has some good information courses.
Namaste,
Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
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mary hughes
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Re: Veterinary Question (was Michael Douglas)
Hi Lisa,
FYI
I'm in the UK and if you are also, then it's important to know that here it's illegal to treat any animal (apart from your own) with any modality unless you are first and foremost a qualified veterinary with proper credentials, unless asked and monitored and the medicine 'prescribed' by a veterinary surgeon...and frankly I doubt that this is rarely ever likely.
http://www.bahvs.com/information/the-ve ... -act-1966/
There is a very small register of veterinary homeopaths
A second training qualification in the specific modality is also required.
http://www.bahvs.com/information/education/
My daughter is training to be a vet because she actually wants to be an herbalist vet (she will also be using homeopathy), I know this makes her a 'naturopath' not a Hahnemann homeopath but without the Vet degree she cannot treat animals at all.
She will not need to do the full herbal medicine degree, (yes we have such a thing in UK) there will be some 'byes' but this is likely to take her in total 7 years and cost her
£60,000 in fees at today's rates.
An MD cannot treat an animal though a Vet can treat a human....our animal welfare law.
For me to take an animal to see my nearest VetHom, Richard Allport, I must go to the vet I am registered with, get his agreement and pay for a referral by him (£45/$70), the vet then sends the animal's medical file and formal agreement, (one is not allowed to be registered with him as for emergency purposes I am required to be registered with a vet who is close to me)
His initial consultation fee is not mentioned on his website, only the cost of a distance consult...(£80/$125) plus meds, I have seen him with an animal and the consult fee was £260 plus the remedies =£346. (approx $540)
I can see a homeopath the same day, any I choose and it will cost me approx
£40-60/$62-94.
My dog died that same night...had I had direct access (it took 3 weeks to get to see him) things may have been different.
The world needs more VetHoms and the UK system needs an overhaul.
Xmarybabb
FYI
I'm in the UK and if you are also, then it's important to know that here it's illegal to treat any animal (apart from your own) with any modality unless you are first and foremost a qualified veterinary with proper credentials, unless asked and monitored and the medicine 'prescribed' by a veterinary surgeon...and frankly I doubt that this is rarely ever likely.
http://www.bahvs.com/information/the-ve ... -act-1966/
There is a very small register of veterinary homeopaths
A second training qualification in the specific modality is also required.
http://www.bahvs.com/information/education/
My daughter is training to be a vet because she actually wants to be an herbalist vet (she will also be using homeopathy), I know this makes her a 'naturopath' not a Hahnemann homeopath but without the Vet degree she cannot treat animals at all.
She will not need to do the full herbal medicine degree, (yes we have such a thing in UK) there will be some 'byes' but this is likely to take her in total 7 years and cost her
£60,000 in fees at today's rates.
An MD cannot treat an animal though a Vet can treat a human....our animal welfare law.
For me to take an animal to see my nearest VetHom, Richard Allport, I must go to the vet I am registered with, get his agreement and pay for a referral by him (£45/$70), the vet then sends the animal's medical file and formal agreement, (one is not allowed to be registered with him as for emergency purposes I am required to be registered with a vet who is close to me)
His initial consultation fee is not mentioned on his website, only the cost of a distance consult...(£80/$125) plus meds, I have seen him with an animal and the consult fee was £260 plus the remedies =£346. (approx $540)
I can see a homeopath the same day, any I choose and it will cost me approx
£40-60/$62-94.
My dog died that same night...had I had direct access (it took 3 weeks to get to see him) things may have been different.
The world needs more VetHoms and the UK system needs an overhaul.
Xmarybabb
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healthinfo6
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Re: Veterinary Question (was Michael Douglas)
Also Luc de Schepper, MD. who left allopathy very early and there are many others
Let's let Dr. Luc speak for himself vs your severely biased fear mongering interpretation:
I have been fortunate to have encountered the most brilliant medical minds in Europe and here in the US. New drugs, new vaccinations, new genetic discoveries, new techniques to probe deeper and deeper in the human body ... there seems to be no limit to the wonders we can expect from allopathy. Most people believe that modern medicine has arrived at the peak of scientific achievement, from which it will go from triumph to triumph.
Dr. Luc lectures at medical schools and hospitals, which his MD degree allows him easy access than the lay homeopath with no medical background or degree who would be frowned upon.
Dr. Luc is FORTUNATE because he has an MD degree.
http://www.drluc.com/allopathy.htm
Susan
Let's let Dr. Luc speak for himself vs your severely biased fear mongering interpretation:
I have been fortunate to have encountered the most brilliant medical minds in Europe and here in the US. New drugs, new vaccinations, new genetic discoveries, new techniques to probe deeper and deeper in the human body ... there seems to be no limit to the wonders we can expect from allopathy. Most people believe that modern medicine has arrived at the peak of scientific achievement, from which it will go from triumph to triumph.
Dr. Luc lectures at medical schools and hospitals, which his MD degree allows him easy access than the lay homeopath with no medical background or degree who would be frowned upon.
Dr. Luc is FORTUNATE because he has an MD degree.
http://www.drluc.com/allopathy.htm
Susan
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Ellen Madono
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Re: Veterinary Question (was Michael Douglas)
Dear Irene,
I am not a vet. Just a homeopath for humans. I have not studied microbiology, metabolism or how to really interpret blood/lab work. Microbiology is obvious, but the next two topics are not obvious to me. How does one go about studying those subjects. I assume you do more acute homeopathy than most human homeopaths do, but the topics you need can't be that different from what I need.
Your stories were inspiring. Thank-you.
Best,
Ellen Madono
I am not a vet. Just a homeopath for humans. I have not studied microbiology, metabolism or how to really interpret blood/lab work. Microbiology is obvious, but the next two topics are not obvious to me. How does one go about studying those subjects. I assume you do more acute homeopathy than most human homeopaths do, but the topics you need can't be that different from what I need.
Your stories were inspiring. Thank-you.
Best,
Ellen Madono
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Christine Wyndham-Thomas
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Re: Veterinary Question (was Michael Douglas)
Hi Mary
The best homeopathic vet I ever knew of - in fact it was because of him I became devoted to homeopathy - was a vet who moved from Bristol down to the Dorset area, and I can't for the life of me remember his name. Anyway, since he left I've found it better to take my dog to a normal vet for a proper diagnosis and then I take him home and deal with the issue homeopathically. Obviously I'm not talking if he needed surgery, but Benji is now aged 16 and still going strong and Lady is aged 6. Lady has never had any injections, not even puppy injections, and we started socialising her little by little as soon as we had her. In fact, everything the vet tells you not to do, we did. She is a perfectly healthy little critter.
I agree with you that we definitely need more VetHoms...good ones! Sorry to hear what happened to your dog.
Regards
Christine
www.homoeopathyclassical.com
The best homeopathic vet I ever knew of - in fact it was because of him I became devoted to homeopathy - was a vet who moved from Bristol down to the Dorset area, and I can't for the life of me remember his name. Anyway, since he left I've found it better to take my dog to a normal vet for a proper diagnosis and then I take him home and deal with the issue homeopathically. Obviously I'm not talking if he needed surgery, but Benji is now aged 16 and still going strong and Lady is aged 6. Lady has never had any injections, not even puppy injections, and we started socialising her little by little as soon as we had her. In fact, everything the vet tells you not to do, we did. She is a perfectly healthy little critter.
I agree with you that we definitely need more VetHoms...good ones! Sorry to hear what happened to your dog.
Regards
Christine
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Re: Veterinary Question (was Michael Douglas)
Susan
You need to read the article you reference beyond the statement you quote.
It is nothing more than a polite crumb he throws allopathy as he then goes on
to, again politely, list the failures of allopathic medicine. Historically he
note that the word quackery was applied originally to allopaths for their
toxic use of mercury for syphyllis.
And you neglect to note that when he lectures in medical schools it is on
homeopathy.
In any movement there are always people who seek to work with the power
structure, trying to ‘educate’ them and convince them that they should
give up their power, or share their status with the underdog. If this was the
only tactic used, the underdog would never get a single concession; they
would only be seen as quaint, cute, unusual, etc—a bunch of little dolls to
play with and then discard.
It is always due to the radical ends of a movement that change occurs. The
radical end puts out an uncompromising position and demands being heard.
Threats are made that will shake up the given system. If the power structure
feels the pressure, they will seek the milder voices as more manipulable and
make concessions with these people. Thus, people like Luc de Shepper will
gain access to the establishment and may have some influence –but only
because he is backed by the more virulent voices behind him.
This balance occurs over and over again in history and homeopathy is no
different. So, your post, taking a most polite and obsequious statement out
of context, both in terms of the article and in terms of history shows a real
lack of understanding here.
t
From: healthyinfo6@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 4:01 AM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Veterinary Question (was Michael Douglas)
Let's let Dr. Luc speak for himself vs your severely biased fear mongering interpretation:
I have been fortunate to have encountered the most brilliant medical minds in Europe and here in the US. New drugs, new vaccinations, new genetic discoveries, new techniques to probe deeper and deeper in the human body ... there seems to be no limit to the wonders we can expect from allopathy. Most people believe that modern medicine has arrived at the peak of scientific achievement, from which it will go from triumph to triumph.
Dr. Luc lectures at medical schools and hospitals, which his MD degree allows him easy access than the lay homeopath with no medical background or degree who would be frowned upon.
Dr. Luc is FORTUNATE because he has an MD degree.
http://www.drluc.com/allopathy.htm
Susan
You need to read the article you reference beyond the statement you quote.
It is nothing more than a polite crumb he throws allopathy as he then goes on
to, again politely, list the failures of allopathic medicine. Historically he
note that the word quackery was applied originally to allopaths for their
toxic use of mercury for syphyllis.
And you neglect to note that when he lectures in medical schools it is on
homeopathy.
In any movement there are always people who seek to work with the power
structure, trying to ‘educate’ them and convince them that they should
give up their power, or share their status with the underdog. If this was the
only tactic used, the underdog would never get a single concession; they
would only be seen as quaint, cute, unusual, etc—a bunch of little dolls to
play with and then discard.
It is always due to the radical ends of a movement that change occurs. The
radical end puts out an uncompromising position and demands being heard.
Threats are made that will shake up the given system. If the power structure
feels the pressure, they will seek the milder voices as more manipulable and
make concessions with these people. Thus, people like Luc de Shepper will
gain access to the establishment and may have some influence –but only
because he is backed by the more virulent voices behind him.
This balance occurs over and over again in history and homeopathy is no
different. So, your post, taking a most polite and obsequious statement out
of context, both in terms of the article and in terms of history shows a real
lack of understanding here.
t
From: healthyinfo6@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 4:01 AM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Veterinary Question (was Michael Douglas)
Let's let Dr. Luc speak for himself vs your severely biased fear mongering interpretation:
I have been fortunate to have encountered the most brilliant medical minds in Europe and here in the US. New drugs, new vaccinations, new genetic discoveries, new techniques to probe deeper and deeper in the human body ... there seems to be no limit to the wonders we can expect from allopathy. Most people believe that modern medicine has arrived at the peak of scientific achievement, from which it will go from triumph to triumph.
Dr. Luc lectures at medical schools and hospitals, which his MD degree allows him easy access than the lay homeopath with no medical background or degree who would be frowned upon.
Dr. Luc is FORTUNATE because he has an MD degree.
http://www.drluc.com/allopathy.htm
Susan