Call it what you like- this still sounds like homeopathy...

szokia · Post by **szokia** » Sun Jul 29, 2012 5:41 pm

Egg allergies "treated with egg"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-18888172

How enlightening! : )

Tanya Marquette · Post by **Tanya Marquette** » Sun Jul 29, 2012 8:18 pm

I have to wonder about the eggs being used. If they are not organic from free range chickens,
then who knows what reactions the kids had to what. GMO feed in the chickens that produced the
eggs? Antibiotics? in the chicken feed? Corn and other allergenic type stuff, etc, etc.
Wonder what the results would be if the quality of eggs were controlled in the study.
t
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Egg allergies "treated with egg"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-18888172

How enlightening! : )

szokia · Post by **szokia** » Mon Jul 30, 2012 11:14 am

Good point! But who's to say it isn't exactly those "additives" that aren't the culprits? So, if they were caused by eggs tainted that way, then it makes sense that using similar eggs (i.e.: non-organic) in this "tiny dose" fashion would render the egg and everything in it (antibiotics, other allergens, pathogens, etc)"homeopathic" in a sense, if you will. So we are, in essence, still talking of like cures like.
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Tanya Marquette · Post by **Tanya Marquette** » Mon Jul 30, 2012 11:45 am

Yes. And that is the core of the issue. There is no control for these ‘taints.’
To apply such controls, tho, would recognize there is a problem with chemical
agriculture and/or vaccines and that is a big No, No.
t
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Good point! But who's to say it isn't exactly those "additives" that aren't the culprits? So, if they were caused by eggs tainted that way, then it makes sense that using similar eggs (i.e.: non-organic) in this "tiny dose" fashion would render the egg and everything in it (antibiotics, other allergens, pathogens, etc)"homeopathic" in a sense, if you will. So we are, in essence, still talking of like cures like.

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Shannon Nelson · Post by **Shannon Nelson** » Mon Jul 30, 2012 1:16 pm

Actually, making a point to use the *same* kind of eggs would be more of tautopathy (am I digging up the right word?). Homeopathy only requires a *similar*. Both can work, albeit somewhat differently. Otherwise all sepia would need to be from the same squid; all pulsatilla from the same flower--etc.

Just for interest, I know someone who can only eat eggs from chickens that are being fed no soy. And so far I know only *one* brand, from a small local farm, that advertises their eggs as soy-free. I'm curious whether anyone else has seen this?

Shannon

Shannon Nelson · Post by **Shannon Nelson** » Mon Jul 30, 2012 1:17 pm

Organic eggs should be free of most of that, shouldn't they? Tho the chickens might still be fed organic soy, I assume.

Tanya Marquette · Post by **Tanya Marquette** » Mon Jul 30, 2012 4:48 pm

no, never saw that no-soy in egg advertising.
as a matter of fact, it is very hard to find organic farmers who can say that.
quite the contrary. the ones I ask, with 1 exception as of last year, all use
manure for fertilizer from animals fed gmo feed because they can’t get any other.
and many who claim organic practices, feed commercial feed with soy and gmo
content.
I think your point about the person who can only eat eggs from non-soy fed chickens
makes my point about the research results with egg desensitization.
As for other items, I don’t think it is the same unless we are dealing with a focused
tainting of the item. I would say that gmo fed cows will produce very different milk
than non-gmo fed cows and research results would be different. We already know
that as milk from gmo fed cows is clearly different and has different health effects
on people. The independent research on this is growing.
t
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Actually, making a point to use the *same* kind of eggs would be more of tautopathy (am I digging up the right word?). Homeopathy only requires a *similar*. Both can work, albeit somewhat differently. Otherwise all sepia would need to be from the same squid; all pulsatilla from the same flower--etc.
Just for interest, I know someone who can only eat eggs from chickens that are being fed no soy. And so far I know only *one* brand, from a small local farm, that advertises their eggs as soy-free. I'm curious whether anyone else has seen this?
Shannon

Shannon Nelson · Post by **Shannon Nelson** » Mon Jul 30, 2012 6:28 pm

I'm sure you are right about that! I would love to see some research on it.

Whether these things will make a crucial difference for homeopathic prescribing, I would think that sometimes it will and sometimes it won't; my main point was that to use something homeopathically, we do not need idem (the exact same), and that in fact "similar" is often more appropriate than "same."

But as always there is the wrinkle, "similar to what", aka "what is to be cured". E.g. is it an egg allergy or a soy allergy, or etc. Playing God leads to ever more little "adventures," doesn't it...

Tanya Marquette · Post by **Tanya Marquette** » Mon Jul 30, 2012 6:43 pm

Well that is one way to look at it
From: Shannon Nelson
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I'm sure you are right about that! I would love to see some research on it.
Whether these things will make a crucial difference for homeopathic prescribing, I would think that sometimes it will and sometimes it won't; my main point was that to use something homeopathically, we do not need idem (the exact same), and that in fact "similar" is often more appropriate than "same."
But as always there is the wrinkle, "similar to what", aka "what is to be cured". E.g. is it an egg allergy or a soy allergy, or etc. Playing God leads to ever more little "adventures," doesn't it...

Christine Wyndham-Thomas · Mon Jul 30, 2012 7:38 pm

Sounds more like isopathy than homoeopathy, which Hahnemann was basically against, unless the substance had been proved over the years.
http://www.homeopathyhome.com/reference ... ganon.html

§ 56 Fifth Edition

The third and only remaining method

1 of employing medicines in diseases, which, besides the other two just alluded to, is the only other possible one, is the antipathic (enantiopathic) or palliative method, wherewith the physician could hitherto appear to be most useful, and hoped most certainly to gain his patient’s confidence by deluding him with momentary amelioration. But I shall now proceed to show how inefficacious and how injurious this third and sole remaining way was, in diseases of a not very rapid course. It is certainly the only one of the modes of treatment adopted by the allopaths that had any manifest relation to a portion of the sufferings caused by the natural disease; but what kind of relation? Of a truth the very one (the exact contrary of the right one) that ought most to be avoided if we would not delude and make a mockery of the patient affected with a chronic disease.

1 A fourth mode of employing medicines in diseases has been attempted to be created by means of Isopathy, as it is called - that is to say, a method of curing a given disease by the same contagious particle that produces it. But even granting this could be done, which would certainly be a valuable discovery, yet, after all, seeing that the virus is given to the patient highly potentized, and thereby, consequently, to a certain degree in an altered condition, the cure is effected only by opposing a simillimum to a simillimum.
§ 56 Sixth Edition

By means of this palliative (antipathic, enantiopathic) method, introduced according to Galen’s teaching "Contraria contrariis" for seventeen centuries, the physicians hitherto could hope to win confidence while they deluded with almost instantaneous amelioration. But how fundamentally unhelpful and hurtful this method of treatment is (in diseases not running a rapid course) we shall see in what follows. It is certainly the only one of the modes of treatment adopted by the allopaths that had any manifest relation to a portion of the sufferings caused by the natural disease; but what kind of relation? Of a truth the very one (the exact contrary of the right one) that ought carefully to be avoided if we would not delude and make a mockery of the patient affected with a chronic disease

1.

1 A third mode of employing medicines in diseases has been attempted to be created by means of Isopathy, as it is called - that is to say, a method of curing a given disease by the same contagious principle that produces it. But even granting this could be done, yet, after all, seeing that the virus is given to the patient highly potentized, and consequently, in an altered condition, the cure is effected only by opposing a simillimum to a simillimum.

To attempt to cure by means of the very same morbific potency (per Idem) contradicts all normal human understanding and hence all experience. Those who first brought Isopathy to notice, probably thought of the benefit which mankind received from cowpox vaccination by which the vaccinated individual is protected against future cowpox infection and as it were cured in advance. But both, cowpox and smallpox are only similar, in no way the same disease. In many respects they differ, namely in the more rapid course and mildness of cowpox and especially in this, that is never contagious to man by more nearness. Universal vaccination put an end to all epidemics of that deadly fearful smallpox to such an extent that the present generation does no longer possess a clear conception of the former frightful smallpox plague.

Moreover, in this way, undoubtedly, certain diseases peculiar to animals may give us remedies and thus happily enlarge our stock of homœopathic remedies.

But to use a human morbific matter (a Psorin taken from the itch in man) as a remedy for the same itch or for evils arisen therefrom is ---- ?

Nothing can result from this but trouble and aggravation of the disease.
Christine Wyndham-Thomas
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