What about rabies vaccine?

[healthinfo6]

The drumbeat here suggests that to believe in homeopathy one needs to suspend belief in and reject allopathic concepts.
I personally don't completely since I depend on allopathic meds to live, most of which I've had to add as my chronic inherited miasmatic illnesses and resulting complications progressed even while I've been under homeopathic care prior, during and now.
Thus, when vaccines are said to be ineffective, dangerous, worthless, etc. lets look at rabies.
A human bitten by a rabid animal is administered the rabies vaccine and, mostly, lives, if done so before hydrophobia and foaming at the mouth sets in.
Dogs and cats, vaccinated by law in most areas, don't transmit rabies when they bite you.
So, how can one say the concept of vaccination doesn't work when it appears to here?
Yes, there is a rabies remedy, though personally, if I was bitten, I'd have no problem taking a rabies vaccine vs. figuring out dose/potency/succussions of the rabies remedy, and/or waiting to foam at the mouth to begin taking the remedy.
Susan

[comdyne2002]

Rabies is treated via a serum, not a vaccine. The rabies so-called vaccine is an immediate biological countermeasure using microbes against microbes. Much like a cock fight between two angry animals.

The concept of vaccines is based upon the Pasteur Germ theory which has been ingrained into the minds of the profession and laymen alike. The assumption of disease causation in this flawed theory is that invading armies of germs infect the body from exoxenous entities when in face, the opposite is true. It is the condition of the immune system and its pH that determines whether or not a germ that enters the body will grow. All disease comes essentially from within the body itself. The foods and lifestyle plays a premium role in the disease process. When the cells suffocate or are mal-nourished, the milieu shifts and pleomnorphic entities morph into scavengers and are identified as germs. The body itself created these pathogens and the condition of the pH in the tissues is responsible for their presence.

I have two articles that covers disease and germs in relation to cancer and other diseases and the failure of the medical system to properly address these issues. The Nov/Dec issue as well as the Han/Feb issue of Crusador Magazine contain a more detailed explanation than I have space to place here.

Anyone in the U.S. or Canada can receive the current issue via the mail by sending your name and address to:

questions@healthtruthrevealed.com Caveat Emptor! Carmi Hazen

[Soroush Ebrahimi]

Dear Susan
Your factual inaccuracies have been corrected by a post from Carmi.
What you need to understand is that vaccination causes long term damage with which the medical industry does not wish to form the connection.
In my prehomeopathic days, when I was in Tehran at the time, I fell into a very dirty stream and scratched both of my knees and shin.
I immediately got some clean water and washed my legs.
This was during the Iraq/Iran war and supplies were difficult. I then managed to get hold of a tetanus vaccine.

Then searched for someone to administer it.
I eventually went to a chap who did this as a living.
On to his couch, trousers at half mast, and felt the needle go in. Then no sensation of an injection.

I waited, and waited and W… A… I… T… E… D…….. Eventually I said is there a problem?

He said no!
After a few more seconds he started to inject.
Afterwards I asked about the delay.
He said at least one person a day gets in to deep trouble because of a tetanus jab (anaphylactic shock). He said there was enough stuff on his needle to cause a problem if there was going to be a problem so he waited for about a minute checking for any local signs before going ahead with a full injection.
Then when I read books by Harris Coulter and other colleagues, I realised that this was an absolute folly.
You expressed a bit of a panic if such a thing should happen to you (God Forbid), then do as the Boy Scouts motto!

BE PREPARED.

Think ahead what you need to do in specific eventualities, what remedies you should have to hand and how you should administer them.
You can then consider all sorts of issues, from heart attack, stroke, dog bites, falls and scratches etc.
Smile and be happy

Soroush
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Subject: [Minutus] What about rabies vaccine?
The drumbeat here suggests that to believe in homeopathy one needs to suspend belief in and reject allopathic concepts.

I personally don't completely since I depend on allopathic meds to live, most of which I've had to add as my chronic inherited miasmatic illnesses and resulting complications progressed even while I've been under homeopathic care prior, during and now.
Thus, when vaccines are said to be ineffective, dangerous, worthless, etc. lets look at rabies.
A human bitten by a rabid animal is administered the rabies vaccine and, mostly, lives, if done so before hydrophobia and foaming at the mouth sets in.

Dogs and cats, vaccinated by law in most areas, don't transmit rabies when they bite you.
So, how can one say the concept of vaccination doesn't work when it appears to here?
Yes, there is a rabies remedy, though personally, if I was bitten, I'd have no problem taking a rabies vaccine vs. figuring out dose/potency/succussions of the rabies remedy, and/or waiting to foam at the mouth to begin taking the remedy.
Susan

[Tanya Marquette]

There is much study of the rabies vaccine and rabies in dogs. The damage of the vaccine far outweighs the
benefits. If I recall correctly, many dogs have the rabies titer in their blood who never had the vaccine. Thus,
dogs who are exposed to rabies do not necessarily contract that disease--quite the contrary it seems that
dogs will mainly develop natural immunity from exposure to rabies without getting sick, unlike the consequences
of the vaccine.
tanya

[RichardS]

Hello Susan,
First of all the drumbeat you speak of is inaccurate. The continued gross generalizations on your part are doing nothing to further any discourse regarding vaccines. And now you are lumping vaccines in with all "allopathic concepts". Another inaccuracy. If vaccines were built on any sort of empirical model, they would not require "belief. There are plenty of fantastic methods, concepts and procedures in the conventional model that are to be used and celebrated...vaccines are not one of them. The ER and diagnostic/labs come to mind. But they are of course built on either empirical evidence or independent objective observation. Obviously if I get hit by a bus I would rather go to the ER than my Homeopaths office. But to lump vaccines into these categories is a red herring.

As shown by at least 2 posters on this thread alone in the last 2 days, we can see that vaccines are not built on the scientific method. So yes I guess you would then need to introduce some sort of "belief" system to make even a poor fractious argument in favor of vaccines.

Further, just because you do or think that you need allopathic meds to live, has zero to do with the absolute failure of the vaccine model. And the state of your health under homeopathic care still has nothing to do with the failed vaccine model.

And looking at the rabies vaccine(not actually a vaccine if given after exposure to the pathogen) seems to be on your part a mishap. The statistical rates of failure for rabies is extremely high. In my state alone the number of animals who have contracted rabies in spite of being injected with this cocktail of 71 ingredients is 49%. Even if we were kind and graded on a curve, this is nothing short of total failure. Especially when the "urban myth" espoused by the conventional medical model is that vaccines are 100% safe and 100% effective.

Another example is the polio vaccine being used in the last 2 years by two different organizations in two different geographic localities. In these 2 places a program was set up to vaccinate for polio. There was zero polio present in either location before the programs were initiated. Within 3 weeks these two places had 58 cases of polio and 21 more have died. In all, the only outbreaks/deaths of polio in the world have happened in the last 2 years. And they have both come at the hands of your celebrated allopathic "beliefs".

This is the model you are holding up and believing in? If this is the kind of allopathic care and "science" you wish to support on this particular chat group then you better believe there will be blowback. If you wish to take part in this pseudo-science that is fine of course. But there are entirely too many people on this list who see the perils and weaknesses of the allopathic model and the utter failure of vaccines everyday in our practice to keep marching to the allopathic drumbeat.

And to compare the concept of vaccine philosophy to Homeopathic science and philosophy is....well, just silly. We can do better.

All the best to you and yours,
Rik
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[healthinfo6]

The theory may be flawed but people do get rabies, usually when bitten by a rabid animal. There is still a rabies preventative vaccine not just administered post-exposure.
What is incorrect in the following Wikipedia article on rabies and its vaccine? Within is also a description of a newer protocol used that worked on one girl leaving no permanent damage.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabies
pH may play a factor in our daily exposure to common germs and viruses, developing cancer is a process. pH changes constantly, I've used pH test paper on urine.
pH as a factor when exposed to rabies virus, which is not a common daily occurrence, would be difficult to prove.
Since I live primarily in ketosis, a more acidic condition, pH levels resulting from that must be disease protective, for me, since I am always better when in ketosis than when not.
Susan

[comdyne2002]

Exogenous pathogenic organisms become infectious when their quantity exceeds the ability of the white blood cells to conquer them. When an infection occurs, cytokines are released into the blood and eventually the lymphatic system circulation which triggers an increased production of white blood and lymphatic cells (they are essentially the same but in different circulatory systems). At the same time the body temperature is usually raised as the additional heat is detrimental to viruses and bacteria and to some extent, fungi. As long as the battle maintains enough soldiers, the immune system succeeds and the crisis ends.

Once a body has been injected with foreign proteins that are not normal (some proteins are) the immune system is compromised by having to deal with such an invasion that often will seek refuge inside the erythrocytes. These organisms are cell wall deficient mycoplasmas which, unlike viruses, can live without a host. They are, however, similar in size to viruses which are not visible in most microscopes.

People who have been vaccinated have a chronic deficiency in the balance load of the immune system and its army of white cells. Their bodies are never operating at maximum thus those previously vaccinated are much more susceptible to the development of various diseases including the one that they were vaccinated for.

Not only is the practice of vaccination foolish, it is also very dangerous. Big Pharma pushed this stupid concept in order to generate traffic in medical offices with the ultimate goal of selling more drugs.

If you want to live a long and healthy life, stay away from medical doctors. Believe nothing they tell you. The alternatives preceded modern medicine over many centuries. Healers did exactly that. Allopathic doctors only palliate disease and have no desire to cure it. A patient cured is a customer lost. Caveat Emptor! Carmi Hazen

[Shannon Nelson]

Hi Rik,
Do you by any chance know a link that would explain the numbers? I would love to read more.

By the above, do you mean that 49% of have gone on to develop it? (Or what does the 49% refer to?)

Shannon

[Shannon Nelson]

Are you referring to the rabies nosode, lyssin/lyssinum? I don't think that is considered effective treatment for acute rabies, but rather for the miasmatic characteristics. I did read of something having a (and I only remember reading one) successful rabies cure, think maybe it was agave, the whole leaf? (The plant, not the sweetener.) Anyone remember that?

And I remember the bat-bitten girl you mentioned, never heard how complete her recovery was--but amazing nonetheless. But cure of rabies once it has shown symptoms, seems to be nearly zero--and years back, I had really searched trying to find some.

I am also trying to remember the name of the shot that's given after possible exposure--have blanked out on it. Something like an anti-toxin. (Whether the rabies vaccine is ineffective or not, that I won't try to speculate on, just wanted to add these bits before I run.)

Shannon

[healthinfo6]

If what you saying is accurate, then there doesn't seem to be much else but allopathic treatment as waiting for symptoms to appear to then prescribe would be lethal, in most cases, though I did hear one about someone who lived through the experience but with permanent CNS or other damage.
Susan