digital remedies

[Mary Ann Gilmore]

Does anyone have a viewpoint regarding having digital remedies onhand
in view of the efforts using Codex Alimantarius?

Mary Ann Gilmore
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[Rochelle Marsden]

Interesting!!!! How would the authorities view them!! Do you actually use them with patients? I have about 100+ of the acute ones on my laptop but have only used them with other homeopaths and occasionally myself.
Rochelle
Registered Homeopath with The Society of Homeopaths
EFT (Advanced) Practitioner
www.southporthomeopathy.co.uk

[Mary Ann Gilmore]

No, I have not used them, although I have researched them somewhat (not much available) but claims
are over ten years of research on the website.

I copied this from the website which piqued by interest.

Important!

Intense efforts are under way to pass the Codex Alimantarius. If this happens, it will become effective in 173 countries and all natural supplements, homeopathic remedies, vitamins, etc shall be illegal. The only way to have access to those products shall be in digital form: BE PREPARED!

Thus, my question....
Mary Ann Gilmore
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From: Rochelle Marsden
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, February 6, 2011 1:10:32 PM
Subject: Fw: [Minutus] digital remedies
Interesting!!!! How would the authorities view them!! Do you actually use them with patients? I have about 100+ of the acute ones on my laptop but have only used them with other homeopaths and occasionally myself.
Rochelle
Registered Homeopath with The Society of Homeopaths
EFT (Advanced) Practitioner
www.southporthomeopathy.co.uk

[Tanya Marquette]

What do you mean by digital remedies?
I know a number of people who use the radionics machines to make there remedies.
They seem to work but may not hold up over long periods of time.
I have raised the same questions about preparing for Codex. It is happening, and faster
than people can keep up with.
tanya
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[Mary Ann Gilmore]

Another blurb from the site...

On December 2009 the Codex Alimantarius becomes effective in 173 countries and natural supplements, homeopathy remedies, vitamins, etc shall be regulated. If things stay the way they are today, access to those products will be difficult and expensive, and in many cases impossible. The only way you will be able to get many of these items will be in digital form...from this website!

They also advertise a way to imprint a remedy into water (with a device they sell).

Mary Ann Gilmore
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From: Rochelle Marsden
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, February 6, 2011 1:10:32 PM
Subject: Fw: [Minutus] digital remedies
Interesting!!!! How would the authorities view them!! Do you actually use them with patients? I have about 100+ of the acute ones on my laptop but have only used them with other homeopaths and occasionally myself.
Rochelle
Registered Homeopath with The Society of Homeopaths
EFT (Advanced) Practitioner
www.southporthomeopathy.co.uk

[Mary Ann Gilmore]

Look at www.digitalsoundremedies.com . There are three papers there
with information under the tab papers also.

Mary Ann

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From: "tamarque@earthlink.net"
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, February 6, 2011 1:19:30 PM
Subject: RE: Fw: [Minutus] digital remedies
What do you mean by digital remedies?
I know a number of people who use the radionics machines to make there remedies.
They seem to work but may not hold up over long periods of time.
I have raised the same questions about preparing for Codex. It is happening, and faster
than people can keep up with.
tanya
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[Soroush Ebrahimi]

If this system starts with a standard remedy and can produce different sound patterns, then it can be used to show that even at extreme dilutions there is something and different in each remedy.
Soroush
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From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Ann Gilmore
Sent: 06 February 2011 19:24
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Fw: [Minutus] digital remedies
Look at www.digitalsoundremedies.com . There are three papers there
with information under the tab papers also.
Mary Ann
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From: "tamarque@earthlink.net"
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, February 6, 2011 1:19:30 PM
Subject: RE: Fw: [Minutus] digital remedies
What do you mean by digital remedies?
I know a number of people who use the radionics machines to make there remedies.

They seem to work but may not hold up over long periods of time.
I have raised the same questions about preparing for Codex. It is happening, and faster

than people can keep up with.
tanya
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[John Harvey]

Good point, Soroush: unique correspondences, if they exist, will show differences between different highly potentised medicines.

What it won't show, of course, is whether the alleged translation process from dynamic medicine to digital medium back to dynamic medicine is real, accurate, and, as Tanya mentioned, sustained.

Longevity could be checked by repeating reverse translation after long periods. But accuracy is the criterion difficult to check.

The reality of the occurrence of some translation phenomenon could be checked through attempts to reproduce it; that's straightforward enough. But whether translation followed by reverse translation restores the original dynamic medicine: how can you check that, without any means of gauging precisely what medicine you hold in your hand? The short answer is: you cannot.

Here is why not.

Homoeopathy has several characteristics that make it far more suitable than hit-and-miss mass medicine is for treating the ills of an individual rather than for fulfilling a marketing plan. Chief amongst these is a combination of two fields of knowledge, of which the field unique to homoeopathy is knowledge of the primary effects of the medicine under consideration. When that field of knowledge is applied, using the homoeopathic principle, to the field of knowledge of the patient's symptomatic state, we have homoeopathic practice.

What makes homoeopathy particularly safe is the practical recognition that a medicine with a homoeopathic relationship to the patient will act medicinally in that patient in peculiarly small doses. Due to his increasing recognition of that peculiarity, Hahnemann developed high dilutions and, eventually, ultramolecular potencies. Of course, once you've eluted all medicinal substance from the dynamic medicine, what you're depending upon is an accurate knowledge of the history of the medicinal preparation in any particular bottle.

Hahnemann's masterful powers of observation, his acute conscientiousness, and his scientific rigour were what led him to exhort practitioners to, amongst other things, prepare their own medicines. That way, you know what's in the bottle. Of course, we now place trust in the integrity of homoeopathic pharmacies over our ability to build up our own individual homoeopathic pharmacies by locating, accurately selecting, obtaining, and preparing unpolluted specimens of many hundreds of medicines. And we hope, all of us, that that trust is well-founded. If it is, then the system remains reliable. Leaving aside considerations of exact potency, we know that when we begin the process with Nat. mur., we also end it with Nat. mur.

The same cannot be said of the preparation of so-called digital remedies, the end result of the preparation of which is an unknown. Yes, it may be the same medicine you have in your other hand. Or it may not be. There is simply no way to know.

Start with Nat. mur. (crude or in potency), make a digital translation through a process that is not fully understood, make a reverse translation through a different process also not fully understood, and you perhaps end up with something with detectable dynamic properties. But what is that something: what relationship, if any, does it have to the dynamic original? Unless and until there is a way to verify the accuracy of the process of medicine re-creation as being a faithful reversal of the process of the original medicine's translation into the digital medium, there is no way to know whether the resultant "medicine" has any relationship to the original.

A readily understandable analogy is with language translation. Put any complex sentence with impeccable grammar and punctuation through a translator such as http://babelfish.yahoo.com, and then do the reverse translation through the same machine. How often will the original sentence come back? The answer is: rarely. In fact, it's an amusing game to reiterate such a process till the sentence does translate back and forth in a stable manner, a process that may take 30 or 50 translations. What investigators find almost invariably is that the resultant "sentence" that can be reliably translated one way and then the other without change not only is utter nonsense but conveys no part of the original meaning: it has been changed beyond recognition.

Such translational nonsense may be exactly what so-called digital remedies offer.

At least with language we can identify exactly what we began with and exactly what we end up with. What is vital to understand in relation to the field of dynamic medicines is that we cannot check the accuracy of translation and reverse translation -- from dynamic medicine to digital medium to dynamic medicine -- without some way of accurately, uniquely identifying a dynamic medicine as we can accurately, uniquely identify a sentence.

Until we have such a means and have employed it to test rigorously any methods of translating and reverse-translating medicinal dynamics, a homoeopathic practitioner -- who relies utterly on reproducibility, reliability, and sure knowledge of dynamic effects -- must regard all purported methods of re-creating dynamic medicines through some kind of translation as unproven, unreliable, and deeply suspect and certainly must not rely upon such means him- or herself in homoeopathic practice.

One may argue that having so-called digital remedies on hand will be better than having nothing. But will it? If these purported medicines cannot be prescribed -- as the above shows they surely cannot be -- homoeopathically, then of what use are they? They are an expensive diversion from the real work of defending the right of every citizen of this planet to the medicine of his or her choice without regard to the effect of that right on shareholders in multinational drug monopolists.

Kind regards,

John
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"Where it is doing the right thing, a great power should be robust against embarrassment."
—Simon Jenkins, "U.S. embassy cables: The job of the media is not to protect the powerful from embarrassment", The Guardian 28 Nov 2010, .

[Mary Ann Gilmore]

Dear John,

Thanks for the input, just what I needed. As an FYI, I copied and pasted your response and sent it as a
question they could respond to www.digitalsoundremedies.com and received no response as of yet.
Thanks again.

Sincerely,

Mary Ann Gilmore
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From: John Harvey
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, February 6, 2011 7:07:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Minutus] digital remedies
Good point, Soroush: unique correspondences, if they exist, will show differences between different highly potentised medicines.

What it won't show, of course, is whether the alleged translation process from dynamic medicine to digital medium back to dynamic medicine is real, accurate, and, as Tanya mentioned, sustained.

Longevity could be checked by repeating reverse translation after long periods. But accuracy is the criterion difficult to check.

The reality of the occurrence of some translation phenomenon could be checked through attempts to reproduce it; that's straightforward enough. But whether translation followed by reverse translation restores the original dynamic medicine: how can you check that, without any means of gauging precisely what medicine you hold in your hand? The short answer is: you cannot.

Here is why not.

Homoeopathy has several characteristics that make it far more suitable than hit-and-miss mass medicine is for treating the ills of an individual rather than for fulfilling a marketing plan. Chief amongst these is a combination of two fields of knowledge, of which the field unique to homoeopathy is knowledge of the primary effects of the medicine under consideration. When that field of knowledge is applied, using the homoeopathic principle, to the field of knowledge of the patient's symptomatic state, we have homoeopathic practice.

What makes homoeopathy particularly safe is the practical recognition that a medicine with a homoeopathic relationship to the patient will act medicinally in that patient in peculiarly small doses. Due to his increasing recognition of that peculiarity, Hahnemann developed high dilutions and, eventually, ultramolecular potencies. Of course, once you've eluted all medicinal substance from the dynamic medicine, what you're depending upon is an accurate knowledge of the history of the medicinal preparation in any particular bottle.

Hahnemann's masterful powers of observation, his acute conscientiousness, and his scientific rigour were what led him to exhort practitioners to, amongst other things, prepare their own medicines. That way, you know what's in the bottle. Of course, we now place trust in the integrity of homoeopathic pharmacies over our ability to build up our own individual homoeopathic pharmacies by locating, accurately selecting, obtaining, and preparing unpolluted specimens of many hundreds of medicines. And we hope, all of us, that that trust is well-founded. If it is, then the system remains reliable. Leaving aside considerations of exact potency, we know that when we begin the process with Nat. mur., we also end it with Nat. mur.

The same cannot be said of the preparation of so-called digital remedies, the end result of the preparation of which is an unknown. Yes, it may be the same medicine you have in your other hand. Or it may not be. There is simply no way to know.

Start with Nat. mur. (crude or in potency), make a digital translation through a process that is not fully understood, make a reverse translation through a different process also not fully understood, and you perhaps end up with something with detectable dynamic properties. But what is that something: what relationship, if any, does it have to the dynamic original? Unless and until there is a way to verify the accuracy of the process of medicine re-creation as being a faithful reversal of the process of the original medicine's translation into the digital medium, there is no way to know whether the resultant "medicine" has any relationship to the original.

A readily understandable analogy is with language translation. Put any complex sentence with impeccable grammar and punctuation through a translator such as http://babelfish.yahoo.com, and then do the reverse translation through the same machine. How often will the original sentence come back? The answer is: rarely. In fact, it's an amusing game to reiterate such a process till the sentence does translate back and forth in a stable manner, a process that may take 30 or 50 translations. What investigators find almost invariably is that the resultant "sentence" that can be reliably translated one way and then the other without change not only is utter nonsense but conveys no part of the original meaning: it has been changed beyond recognition.

Such translational nonsense may be exactly what so-called digital remedies offer.

At least with language we can identify exactly what we began with and exactly what we end up with. What is vital to understand in relation to the field of dynamic medicines is that we cannot check the accuracy of translation and reverse translation -- from dynamic medicine to digital medium to dynamic medicine -- without some way of accurately, uniquely identifying a dynamic medicine as we can accurately, uniquely identify a sentence.

Until we have such a means and have employed it to test rigorously any methods of translating and reverse-translating medicinal dynamics, a homoeopathic practitioner -- who relies utterly on reproducibility, reliability, and sure knowledge of dynamic effects -- must regard all purported methods of re-creating dynamic medicines through some kind of translation as unproven, unreliable, and deeply suspect and certainly must not rely upon such means him- or herself in homoeopathic practice.

One may argue that having so-called digital remedies on hand will be better than having nothing. But will it? If these purported medicines cannot be prescribed -- as the above shows they surely cannot be -- homoeopathically, then of what use are they? They are an expensive diversion from the real work of defending the right of every citizen of this planet to the medicine of his or her choice without regard to the effect of that right on shareholders in multinational drug monopolists.

Kind regards,

John
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"Where it is doing the right thing, a great power should be robust against embarrassment."
—Simon Jenkins, "U.S. embassy cables: The job of the media is not to protect the powerful from embarrassment", The Guardian 28 Nov 2010, .

[John Harvey]

Dear Mary Anne,

You're most welcome. I'll be interested to learn of the site's response!

Kind regards,

John
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