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Dave Hartley
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Vaccination Fear

Post by Dave Hartley »

Hello Vanessa,

Couple of comments on your post..

#1 Isaac Golden's work is far from universally accepted. Also, looking at
it from a critical POV, it seems to fail the definition of homeopathy on
several counts.

#2a. Yes, Boericke and a bunch of others recommended Thuja for ill effects
of vaccine (if you want to get real literal, the word vaccine is taken from
cowpox, the original source of smallpox "vaccination.")

#2b. Since Boericke's time, others, with reckless disregard for the source
material or the original definition of vaccination have 1) used
Thuja to treat ill-effects of inoculations with other than cowpox vaccine
2) used the term "vaccine" as a generic definition of attempting
immunization with attenuated disease-matter (for at least 100yrs.)
#3 Seems "your lecturer" is advocating homeopathy ..take a case, prescribe
on symptoms (fancy that ;)
Thuja is one remedy which has homeopathicity to common symptoms of
cowpox-vaccinosis; moreover it is a prime & potent antisycotic, and so might
be thought to treat the vaccinosis on the level of acquired acute miasm...

Thuja's serendipitous success with other inoculation after-effects may be
partially attributable to its affinity for nervous system. In vaccination
(current definition) of infants 6mos & under, ill effects may likely be due
to physiological nerve problem caused by vaccine - delayed, impaired, or de-
myelinization.. which can cause enchephalitis-like symptoms & autism. Bell
and Stram might be thought of here..

A.H. Grimmer ("Collected Works" -Encyclopedia Homeopathica)
"Thuj. and Maland. are the best antidotes against the bad effects of small
pox vaccination. Ars. antidotes the evils of yellow fever shots, Mag-p. is a
joy for the suffering that often follows the tetanus shots. Bapt.
effectively antidotes typhoid and typhus inoculations. Diph. and Merc-cy.
antidote the diptheria shots and are also top curative remedies for the cure
and prevention of the disease itself."

Synthesis 8 (RADAR)
Generals Vaccination, after
sil.; sulph.; thuj.; maland.; mez.; sars.; vac.; zinc.; acon.; ant-t.;
apis; ars.; bar-c.; bell.; kali-m.; merc.; ped.; psor.; vario.; arn.; bufo;
carc.; cean.; crot-h.; cupr.; echi.; graph.; hep.; kali-chl.; lac-v.; phos.;
rhus-t.; sabin.; sep.; skook.; stram.; tub.;
-Some of these, if you research the sources, will conform to the old cowpox
definition of vaccine; some to the modern all-inclusive inoculation (or even
oral) vaccine definition...

Causation of vaccine may help to point us in the right direction, but in the
end we are either practicing homeopathy (as your lecturer pointed out) -or
we are not. Take a case; prescribe on symptom picture.

re: your final thought... that would seem to be a tautology.
In order to prescribe a remedy with reasonable surety that it will not act
suppressively... (yes, you guessed it ;) take complete case, prescribe on
symptom picture. Keynote-only prescribing or simplistic
"this-remedy-for-that-causation" without establishing homeopathicity by
taking a complete case and matching the remedy choice to the particulars of
the totality of symptoms to be cured... could act suppressively; driving the
malaise represented by the expressed-then-suppressed symptom.. deeper into
the overall economy of the organism.
regards,

Dave Hartley
www.localcomputermart.com/dave
Santa Cruz, CA (831)423-4284


KTribe
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Re: Vaccination Fear

Post by KTribe »

I have two holistic vets that we use with the cat
sanctuary. One often recommends Thuja routinely, which
I once accepted since I am not a trained homeopath.
However, since I started learning more about
homeopathy, I learned that Thuja should not be given
routinely after vaccination.

The other holistic vet has me give Feline vaccine
nosodes (isodes?) made from the actual feline
combination vaccine. Any thoughts on that? This same
vet recommended the use of homeopathic cortisone to
"clear" the use of steriods after the energency
hospitalization of one of my cats (blocked urinary
tract, a true emergency situation).
Dee

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petsfriend
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Re: Vaccination Fear

Post by petsfriend »

Dee,

Personally, I do not use thuja routinely or nosodes as you described. As you
are aware, there are many constitutions that are sensitive to vaccination,
not just thuja. I prefer to stick to homeopathy's fundamental principle of
the law of similars and give the indicated remedy. Same for drug remedies,
etc.

be well

russell swift, dvm


Dave Hartley
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Re: Vaccination Fear

Post by Dave Hartley »

Neither approach is homeopathy.

Isopathy is not homeopathy; routinist treatment is not homeopathy.

Both of these approaches share routinism;
homeopathy specifically seeks a near-opposite approach of seeking symptoms
which are particular to the individual case, minimizing importance of the
most-common symptoms.

It'd be lovely if we could "clear" these ideas from association with
homeopathy..

best,

Dave Hartley
www.localcomputermart.com/dave
Santa Cruz, CA (831)423-4284


VBKH
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Re: Vaccination Fear

Post by VBKH »

Congratulations with your interpretation. Eliminate the vaccinations and a
lot of problems will be solved. Giving Thuya as an antidote for the
vaccination is not the right way of homeopatic thinking.
Bye
Willy De Boodt


Dr.Sahni BS
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Re: Vaccination Fear

Post by Dr.Sahni BS »

if thuja dosent work then what to do?
:( sahni


KTribe
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Re: Vaccination Fear

Post by KTribe »

Apparently you have not experienced the wonders of
burying 7 cats in one week who died from a distemper
epidemic. I lost over a dozen cats the first epidemic
and just as many during the second. Homeopathic
nosodes did nothing to prevent or cure the disease
during either epidemic. I was advised by a holistic
vet and a homeopath during both epidemics. The most
homeopathy did for these cats is perhaps ease the
death transition, which I am indeed grateful
for.Sorry, I have done a complete 180 on vaccinations.
Vaccinated cats live, unvaccinated ones don't, at
least in a high-risk situation.

Personally, I am getting a little fed up with the
whole attitude that surrounds homeopathy. Nosodes are
not good enough, Isodes are not homeopathy. Heaven
forbid the use of sequential therapy or Heilkunst or
combination remedies. Four frigging holistic vets, a
pet nutritionist and a homeopath and that's not good
enough apparently.Personally, I am going to stick with
homeopathy for first aid and acute, self-limiting
conditions (wait - it's an emergency - grab that M&M!
PLEASE!) because it DOES work and stick with herbs and
nutritional therapy for the rest. Adios!
Dee

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petsfriend
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Re: Vaccination Fear

Post by petsfriend »

Give the indicated remedy based on similarity, as in all homeopathic
treatment

russell swift, dvm


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