Pesticides/Polio was HELP - Janine Robert, activist/author/filmmaker has had a stroke

[Sheri Nakken]

Liz
the trouble is you have bought the story, hook, line and sinker as they say.

You are repeating just what you and everyone has been told
It requires digging deeper to find truth
If everyone believed what was on the news and out there on homeopathy, you know where we would be.

Your logic is their logic.

But if you don't want to see it you won't.

You drank the kool-aid
Sheri

At 11:56 PM 2/28/2010, you wrote:

[Liz Brynin]

I don't see why I have 'bought' anything Sheri. Would you care to explain?
I am well aware of the dangers of vaccines, and am totally opposed to vaccines myself, for all the same reasons as you, probably, but if you can tell me how neurological damage occurring in a vaccinated individual can be passed on to other people who have not been vaccinated, I would be very interested to know it!
Liz

[Sheri Nakken]

At 10:51 AM 3/1/2010, you wrote:
Prove that some virus gave them polio - no one out there has proved it -maybe you can?

They became paralyzed and diagnosed with poliomyelitis (a diagnosis by observing certain symptoms - not by some blood test) - but never proved that any virus caused it.

Why are not huge numbers getting it from the babies' nappies? Why just a very few (of course susceptibility is part of anything - but why out of millions exposed to nappies, there have been only a few cases?).

What is 'real' polio? "If you would read a bit of what I posted, you might understand
THERE has NEVER been an case of transmission to family members or doctors or nurses.
If 2 or more in a family 'got' it they came down with it together...........

Show me any case of transmission
You are believing what you have been told
Sorry - but show me anywhere anyone got it from a pool - pools have chlorine in them or are ozonated..............
Show me one case from a pool

It appears you are not interested in going beyond what you think is reality, Liz.
Sheri

[Sheri Nakken]

and again

Don't you think it is easier for a drug company (who has no liability in the US for any injury) ---- don't you think it is easier and more beneficial for a drug company to 'agree' that their vaccine caused a bit of harm FROM THE "VIRUS" in it , just reinforcing the whole idea of vaccines prevent illness in most cases and polio is caused by a virus.

They stand to gain millions and lose a little bit of 'face' and really no consequences.

Admit something that isn't even true and have no consequences or little consequence and come out making millions.

By allowing others to believe that the vaccine made others ill, it just reinforces their lie that viruses cause illness and vaccines prevent it.

Read what is in a vaccine - no proof there is even a known actual virus
Sheri

At 12:03 PM 3/1/2010, you wrote:

[Sheri Nakken]

From Janine who I emailed about in the last few days, who has had a
stroke................

From: janine roberts
The particle misnamed as poliovirus is defined in virology as an
endogenous human gut (entero-) virus or HEV - meaning it is only
produced by human gut cells, and thus can also be passed out in
turds. These particles were found to be common in Turkey and in Africa
in the 1040s - yet in Turkey polio was called the American disease
because they had no polio - and doctors in the armed forces noted
finding this particle in African soil yet polio disease was not there.

What is its role in nature is not really known as it is little studied
for itself- it could well be a human messenger particle sent from gut
cell to cell - proving gut cells a way of speaking to each other by
sharing a short genetic code.

One has to go back to the original 1948 experiment in a New York
hospital to find out why it was blamed for polio. Two scientists took
excrement from some healthy children - made a 20% suspension in water
of some of this excrement, including much human waste and toxins, and
injected this noxious soup directly into the living brains of two day
old mice. When this human wasted paralyzed the mice , they deduced
that polio must be cause by nothing else but a virus found in the
human waste. A small round viral particle in the human wasted was
thus declared with triumph to be the cause of polio.

Thus they found a virus to use in the polio vaccine.

Today when a doctor finds a child with the identical old symptoms of
dangerous paralytic polio, damage to the motor neurone cells in the
back, preventing breathing, the WHO tell the doctor that he or she
cannot diagnose this as polio . Instead the doctor is told to send
two samples of the child's turds to WHO's authorized labs - where
they are tested for this same virus. If it is not found, as it is
normally not found, the child's illness is is declared not to be
polio - leaving the child as crippled and as clinically identically
ill. One would think that if the virus is not present, it would be
declared not to be the cause of polio - but a victory for the vaccine
has to be found...

Janine
Fear of the Invisible.
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[Liz Brynin]

Sheri - I am not against what you are saying at all, but think!
Nappies? Most people wash their hands, don't they?
Swimming pools -not all of them are chlorinated - small, private, inflatable pools are not.
re: what you posted, I have read it - I have read lots of similar articles. And lots about smallpox/monkey pox/fatal chickenpox too. Yes, there are all sorts of reasons why people get ill, and I'm not arguing with that at all - I'm with you on this one.
But there is some kind of virus in that oral vaccine, and that virus is capable of being passed on to others from a vaccinated individual. And I still don't understand how the 'illness' can be transmitted to other people unless it's through the contaminated faeces. You say there has NEVER been a case of transmission to family members - where do you get such facts? I am happy with WDDTY facts - if they say there has been transmission, I think it is probably true.
Are you really sure of your facts? WDDTY does the research. If they say there has been transmission, they are probably correct.
Liz

[Liz Brynin]

Sheri - I am not against what you are saying at all, but i think we are arguning at cross-purposes. I am not arguing about what causes polio - there are lots of things that can cause paralysis. But nevertheless, there is an oral vaccine which contains live viruses. And those viruses can be passed on - sometimes. Why not more often? Well....
Nappies? Most people wash their hands, don't they?
Swimming pools -not all of them are chlorinated - small, private, inflatable pools are not, certainly not in the UK, where the summer is so short that most people only put up a pool for a few days a year.
And re: what you posted, I have read it - I have read lots of similar articles. And lots about smallpox/monkey pox/fatal chickenpox too. Yes, there are all sorts of reasons why people get ill, and I'm not arguing with that at all - I'm with you on this one. The drug companies sell you all sorts of myths so that you buy into the vaccine protocol.
But neverthelees, there is some kind of virus in that oral vaccine, and that virus is capable of being passed on to others from a vaccinated individual. You say there has NEVER been a case of transmission to family members - where do you get such facts? I am happy with WDDTY facts - if they say there has been transmission, I think it is probably true.
Are you really sure of your facts? WDDTY does the research. If they say there has been transmission, they are probably correct.
Liz

[Sheri Nakken]

there is no transmission - no one in a household who comes down with paralysis and then another later comes down with it.

They say the incubation period is as short as 4 days or as long as 35 days
Pretty strange don't you think? Pretty short as well as pretty long period of time in there
The time period can cover someone who was exposed to the toxin at a similar time period and just took a few days longer to exhibit symptoms or a later exposure
There is no proof showing it is connected

But show me any case that says they got it from Johnny or Susie.

Show me any case that was blamed on transmission or communcability or infectiousness of the disease.

Please just read what I sent, to be fair.
Sheri
At 12:14 PM 3/1/2010, you wrote:

[Liz Brynin]

I have briefly looked at some of what you sent, and I will look some more and get back to you.
however, with regard to incubation, the time between contact and onset of disease can vary enormously - and that makes sense, as each person's immune system works differently. I don't find that suspicious or proof that something else is at work.- - we are all different.
Anyway - more later.
Liz

[Sheri Nakken]

Just because it has been around for a long time does not make it ture........

Again..............
Don't you think it is easier for a drug company (who has no liability in the US for any injury) ---- don't you think it is easier and more beneficial for a drug company to 'agree' that their vaccine caused a bit of harm FROM THE "VIRUS" in it , just reinforcing the whole idea of vaccines prevent illness in most cases and polio is caused by a virus.

They stand to gain millions and lose a little bit of 'face' and really no consequences.

Admit something that isn't even true and have no consequences or little consequence and come out making millions.

By allowing others to believe that the vaccine made others ill, it just reinforces their lie that viruses cause illness and vaccines prevent it.

Read what is in a vaccine - no proof there is even a known actual virus

Great deal for them - allow you to believe that the vaccine caused the polio and you will never doubt that the vaccine has virus in it
Sheri
At 02:30 PM 3/1/2010, you wrote: