Came across an interesting piece today. It concludes:
"If such experiments are performed properly, we will take homeopathy out of the realm of "natural" and "spiritual energy" nonsense and into the world of sophisticated, modern, and truly physical medicine.
If the "quack-busters" from NCAHF had known the basics of electronics, they would have never touched a computer: according to their logic, computers cannot possibly work, because they are made of nothing but ordinary sand. One can imagine their verdict: "Semiconductors cannot possibly be real, because the amount of element they are doped with is too small to create any electricity. They are nothing but insulators. People who think they are using computers (phosphors, lasers, digital cameras, etc,) have been conned." But most lay people are very enthusiastic about electronic alloys: "Imagine, this tiny crystal can contain enough information to fill a library!"
Well, this tiny drop of water contains enough drug to cure a human being! "
For the full article:
http://www.moonland.com/Library/Editori ... ameset.htm
Peace,
Dale
Homeopathy & Chaos Theory
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Jean Doherty
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After reading this site which Dale kindly shared with us we could claim
Homeopathy restores and keeps balance, Jean
Homeopathy restores and keeps balance, Jean
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muthu kumar
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Hi Jean-
I agree - Interesting Chaos theory article
I wrote about how we can understand the working of Homeopathy based on Systems theory in a few postings 2 years back - when we had a long discussion chain going on on potentizing a hut with termites or something hilarious-
There are family therapy techniques based on systems theory and on feeback loops... Dr.Mara Selvini Palazzoli's works on Systemic ( Strategic) Family therapy and writings of Palo Alto School of Family therapy are typical of some of the thoughts on this subject. Palo Alto school was influenced by the works of Gregory Bateson, Milton Erickson and Don Jackson. Paradoxical treatment of prescribing the symptom to the patient - coming out of the works of hypnotist Milton Erickson- is part of this approach and look very similar to homeopathy.
Giving the simillimum is like causing a turbulence in the system - there is not much predictability in this - we know that the disease state is going to change, we have made "observations" in the past that tell us such and such is a possible outcome - that's all - there is no 100% guarantee that this is how the change will occur and these are the symptoms that will appear or disappear...
Cure is not guaranteed but predictable based on past occurrences -
Uncertainty principle...
Solution Focused Therapy of De Shazer ( his book "Keys to solution in brief therapy" is a masterpiece) offers some thoughts very similar to homeopathy; his concept of skeleton key -(which says that the solution does not have to fit the problem exactly; one can open any number of locks with a set of skeleton keys; we do not have to have the same original key to fit and open a lock- for then we will need as many keys as there are locks- ) opened to me the idea that the kind of cures we see in homeopathy - Hahnemann had about 100 remedies and folks around 1900 probably used 200 and now we have 2000 and counting - are probably due to the skeleton key effect- sometimes similar is enough to nudge the system towards a cure - not necessarily always the exact simillimum is needed - otherwise we would not have a Parimal Banerji, Rajan Sankaran and Andre Saine all claiming cures in homeopathy with such different approaches to finding the simillimum..) I think it was Rajan Sankaran who once remarked how a patient mistook his prescription of Ignatia over phone to be Echinacea and got cured anyway with it- ( rather humbling, right)..
In fact I was writing a research paper on the similarities between homeopathy and family therapy techniques before I got side-tracked.
I suggest reading up a little on that...interesting thoughts
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, Jean Doherty wrote:
I agree - Interesting Chaos theory article
I wrote about how we can understand the working of Homeopathy based on Systems theory in a few postings 2 years back - when we had a long discussion chain going on on potentizing a hut with termites or something hilarious-
There are family therapy techniques based on systems theory and on feeback loops... Dr.Mara Selvini Palazzoli's works on Systemic ( Strategic) Family therapy and writings of Palo Alto School of Family therapy are typical of some of the thoughts on this subject. Palo Alto school was influenced by the works of Gregory Bateson, Milton Erickson and Don Jackson. Paradoxical treatment of prescribing the symptom to the patient - coming out of the works of hypnotist Milton Erickson- is part of this approach and look very similar to homeopathy.
Giving the simillimum is like causing a turbulence in the system - there is not much predictability in this - we know that the disease state is going to change, we have made "observations" in the past that tell us such and such is a possible outcome - that's all - there is no 100% guarantee that this is how the change will occur and these are the symptoms that will appear or disappear...
Cure is not guaranteed but predictable based on past occurrences -
Uncertainty principle...
Solution Focused Therapy of De Shazer ( his book "Keys to solution in brief therapy" is a masterpiece) offers some thoughts very similar to homeopathy; his concept of skeleton key -(which says that the solution does not have to fit the problem exactly; one can open any number of locks with a set of skeleton keys; we do not have to have the same original key to fit and open a lock- for then we will need as many keys as there are locks- ) opened to me the idea that the kind of cures we see in homeopathy - Hahnemann had about 100 remedies and folks around 1900 probably used 200 and now we have 2000 and counting - are probably due to the skeleton key effect- sometimes similar is enough to nudge the system towards a cure - not necessarily always the exact simillimum is needed - otherwise we would not have a Parimal Banerji, Rajan Sankaran and Andre Saine all claiming cures in homeopathy with such different approaches to finding the simillimum..) I think it was Rajan Sankaran who once remarked how a patient mistook his prescription of Ignatia over phone to be Echinacea and got cured anyway with it- ( rather humbling, right)..
In fact I was writing a research paper on the similarities between homeopathy and family therapy techniques before I got side-tracked.
I suggest reading up a little on that...interesting thoughts
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, Jean Doherty wrote:
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Jean Doherty
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Yes recently did some training in cognitive techniques and feeding picture back to client with a slightly different slant very valuable. I observed my Mother doing that on one of my return visits home and she certainly was someone people in trouble came to. I suppose the technique Homeopathic in a way as you suggested. It all came from her own heart and she had a hard life in many ways.
GPs who do not use remedies can promote healing very often..
Anyhow energy and the use of it fascinating,. Thank you, Jean
GPs who do not use remedies can promote healing very often..
Anyhow energy and the use of it fascinating,. Thank you, Jean
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Ellen Madono
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Hi,
This is another reason why we don't all have to agree in the methods
we use as homeopaths, yet we can all be doing a wonderful job.
Blessings,
Ellen
This is another reason why we don't all have to agree in the methods
we use as homeopaths, yet we can all be doing a wonderful job.
Blessings,
Ellen
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Tanya Marquette
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fascinating article(s). will read them a second time.
the concept that our systems get shaken up a bit and
then acheive health as they settle down again into a
comfortable pattern will really get some of the quack busters
going. but the changes in water and the effect of silicone
conductivity is mind-challenging to many. the point that
md's and pharmacists know nothing of these physics is very
telling.
tanya
the concept that our systems get shaken up a bit and
then acheive health as they settle down again into a
comfortable pattern will really get some of the quack busters
going. but the changes in water and the effect of silicone
conductivity is mind-challenging to many. the point that
md's and pharmacists know nothing of these physics is very
telling.
tanya
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Shannon Nelson
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Phew, yes indeed!!!
(I am particularly looking at "and now we have
Re the next, " I
That might be something else...
Possibly the patient just needed some nice placebo.
Or possibly the mental / emotional picture of echinacea runs that close
to Ignatia? I tried a MacRep search for mental sxs of it, but came up
with nothing. Anyone have that?
This sort of "accident" occasionally does yield wonderful information!
Shannon
(I am particularly looking at "and now we have
Re the next, " I
That might be something else...
Possibly the patient just needed some nice placebo.
Or possibly the mental / emotional picture of echinacea runs that close
to Ignatia? I tried a MacRep search for mental sxs of it, but came up
with nothing. Anyone have that?
This sort of "accident" occasionally does yield wonderful information!
Shannon

