sick kitty

[Tanya Marquette]

with all to toxic crap in tobacco, do you really want to do this?
why not use the homeopathic rx tab?
tanya

[Shannon Nelson]

But Tanya, how can I work out a remedy without a case...
If I had what I *think* may be his constitutional I would give that to
him (I've got it on order), but other than that I don't see what I have
to prescribe on.

I do think this is a situation very appropriate to using the
"constitutional" (aka prior chronic remedy)--if I've guessed right, and
whenever I can get it...

[Tanya Marquette]

i did a google search on cats sneezing and worms. what i was
able to gather is that there might be an allergic reaction going on.
most of the information concerned viral infections and uri's

if there is an allergic reaction, then that adds another dimension
to the situation.

but i would not want to administer tobacco with all it toxicity,
particularly if you do not know whether there are worms.

so you are back to the beginning of either wait and watch or
pay for lab tests for worms or viral conditions, or try to figure out
if there is an allergic reaction to something (including the worms, if
they exist).

as for a case, it may be a weak one, but you could make
case based on general characteristics and sneezing.

tanya

[Shannon Nelson]

Thanks Tanya, that's a good thought to keep in mind.
So far he already seems a *little* bit better, from the
herbs--hopefully I'm not just deluding myself! Then I think I will see
whether his maybe-constitutional does anything for him...

[Qwan Yinn Burmese]

Hi Shannon,
Look right at the fur around the anus, not at the base of the tail. Look up tapeworms on the Internet and you can probably get a picture of the eggs I am trying to describe. You may see some, no guarantee.
Brewers yeast is good.
I don't measure the DE. I got mine at the garden center. Make sure it isn't from a pool place, it is different and I think has stuff added to it. I remember reading the mechanism of action and I don't recall it right now, it isn't just mechanical though. I have used 2 or 3 spoonfuls in a glass of water, mixed it up and drunk it, we did it for around 3 weeks if I remember correctly. It is sort of chalky, maybe slightly gritty. Nothing awful though. I just mix it in the dogs food every few days. I know it is used in cattle feed to give the bacteria in the stomach extra matrix? To grow on and improve digestion and hence weight gain. I would just mix a spoonful into the canned food and give it to him.
Make sure if you are going to switch to the raw that you model it on a whole prey model type diet. The cat requires all the parts, even if we don't think they are appetizing ) Like us they don't need it every day but you need to try and copy it over the course of the week or so so it is balanced. It doesn't even have to be ground, that is for your convenience, better if it isn't and he will eat it. Mine love chicken necks and split leg quarters. Make sure it is raw and not cooked though. I have a friend who just freezes in meal portions and takes it out and gives it every day. She uses the ground for that reason. She get hers from Columbia River Natural Pet foods. They will ship.
Good Luck,
Leora

[Irene de Villiers]

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NO NO NO!!!!!
Nicotine in tobacco causes death in cats by violent convulsions with
bleeding out of ears, nose and mouth.
Even eating a cigarette butt can cause this.

Repertorize or look at Santoninum 6X for worms - much safer!
Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[Irene de Villiers]

I made the mistake of eating pork (bacon in a salad - allergic) so have
been out of action a few days......
hence slow response...

He's lucky to get mice but there are risks outdoors, including mouse
tapeworm for example.



Not likely from worms.
Worms usually present as SLOW weight loss if any - and a pot-belly for
roundworms - or rice-looking worm proglottids (egg packets, often motile)
near the anus for tapeworm.



More the symptoms of bordetella bronchiseptica in cats - which is a
"silent pneumonia" and kills, and I hope it is not that.
But a typical symptom is a cough that looks more like a hairball attempt
than a cough - but produces no hairball.
Symptoms are very few in cats:
Cough might be present and if so is a "hairball-looking" one.
Less energy, less activity, more sleeping.
Los of weight usual but not always.
That's about it!
Three months later they suddenly die after seeming okay the night/day before.

If this is what's there (and vets usually miss it) it's 100% fatal in
kittens and 50% in adults unless you use some homeopathy.
It is the same organism as kennel cough in dogs - but is far more serious
in cats or sheep. It often has a few upper respiratory symptoms with it
like sneezes, but may have none. X-ray of a late stage case will show
opaque lungs that are diffusely opaque throughout rather than spot focal
infections. There's no easy test - a deep tracheal swab is often
false-result and is certainly not worth the trauma of the necessary
anesthetic to acquire it. Also vets tend to forget it is bacterial
(interstitial though) needing a different swab from the viral ones they
usually take.

In hour shoes i'd use Bordetetlla bronchiseptic 200C and Feline URI 30C
both preventively asap - and then figure the simillimum to add in.



I can't say it's the dread BB but it MIGHT be - and I'd play safe with the
rems suggested.
(Write off list - I stock them if needed.)
BB definitely can be put right with homeopathy if it is that.....


I would not use herbs on cats. They have no metabolsim to handle them -
you damage the liver etc..
Take a stool sample to the vet and have them look at it under the
microscope for worm eggs. IF there are any, THEN there are worms and the
egg is specific to each worm so the vet will tell you what one/s are there
and you can repertorize accordingly. If not, no worms.
But worms do not cause sneezing - or hairball-like coughing in cats.

Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[Qwan Yinn Burmese]

Hi Irene,
Thanks for the input about tobacco. It is not my cat but I had my doubts about using tobacco. I know cats lots of things that are safe for dogs even are definitely not ok for cats.
Leora

[Irene de Villiers]

Just remember that DE is like ground glass with multiple little cutting
surfaces.
It cuts the parasite cells to shreds, and the cat's insides the same.
Sadly the DE has no brains to know to leave the delicate gut cells alone.

>

Poor cat.



Not true in cats.
Raw food is only helpful to cats if it is fresh-slaughtered like a mouse
they catch. Food that is prepared for human use, is not served immediately
after slaughter, and it needs to be cooked to destroy surface enzymes - or
the enzymes will destroy some nutrients in the cat.

>

Also not true.
pH of the gut has to do with gut bacteria and food for them.
Raw meat provides no food for gut bacteria. Cats need rice bran or beet
fiber - but rice bran is better - to feed bifidus (not acidopbhilus) gut
bacteria.

>

That's like saying "Food is associated with many serious health problems
in cats".
It depends what is IN the food.
Kibble is the best way to feed cats other than wild food.

But it needs to be the right kibble - it should not have more carbohydrate
than animal protein; it should not have any veg or fruit or seed oils or
feline toxins or "gluten" protein.

For more on cat health, that comes from proper research, (not circulated
rumor), anyone may feel welcome to join Catwell discussion group:
Catwell-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[Irene de Villiers]

Food grade just means it has no pool chemicals added for use in pools.
It still cuts both the parasite and the gut surface to shreds.

Unlike humans, dogs and cats depend on their gut health to absorb a
LOT of nutrients we can just get from fruit and veg, so it is even
more important for them- not to damage the gut walls.
Very.
Most herbs are toxic. One has to check out each one.
Not much. Such generalisations can be very misleading and unsafe.
Check the National animal poison control center lists - the same
things are toxic though more severely for cats.
The difference is small. Dogs have very little more plant detox
capacity than cats.
What makes dogs very ill, will kill cats. Essential oils for example.
Grapes and raisins can kill both.
Nor dogs.
Garlic causes Heinz body anemia in dogs as well.

Leora, You have posted a lot of well meaning but dangerous advice
here for cats (and dogs).
May I please invite you to join Catwell, to learn more? It's clear
you care and mean well. But good information is not so easy to come
by:-)

Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."