Pain management question

[DCR]

I see this too often in elders – due to some physical injury they are in extreme pain – and their doctors put them on heavy pain meds which do not really help the pain, but create a situation where they are not lucid enough to bother their care givers – so everyone (but the recipient) seems happy to keep pushing those pain meds. I just received a call from a woman now facing this situation whom I worked with many years ago. She had old fractured vertebrae which cause great pain where weather is a significant trigger. Years ago I gave her rhus tox 12x to be used as only needed and she did very well (this was in addition to nutrition, exercise, and a constitutional remedy selected after appropriate case taking). Now she has had another injury and none of the usual acute remedies are giving her relief. Arnica gave some relief for the first few days, then nothing. Her former ‘constitutional’ remedy has not given any pain relief and I doubt appropriately covers the current picture. When she was in the hospital they really pushed the pain meds. She is now feeling pressure to accept that pain management means pharmaceuticals (and the dull mental capacity and limited mobility) that they offer. She would prefer to use homeopathy. Until now, she had great success in pain management with homeopathy – and I don’t know if the current exaggerated pain is due to post injury inflammation and/or altered pain threshold due to hospital mistreatment and drugs, or if this represents a new level of pain for her. I will be taking the case again next week.
Given that the maintaining cause is a set of physical injuries that continue to exert pressure on the nerves (surgery is apparently not an option), has anyone used homeopathy for long term pain management in such a case?
Thank you in advance for sharing your experience.
Donna
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[Rochelle]

The mention of nerves at the end of your post makes me think of Hypericum. St John's wort herbal tincture (Hypericum) if the nerves are involved may also help by rubbing it into the skin.
FWIW
Rochelle
Registered Homeopath
EFT(Advanced) Practitioner
www.southporthomeopathy.co.uk

[Dale Moss]

I have a case currently of an elderly woman (80s) with a spontaneous fracture of the sacrum -- this after taking the usual anti-osteoporosis meds for five years! There was truly extreme pain, because the fracture was not properly diagnosed for days. I used Calc-fl. 200c, BID, to wean her off her pain medications, but for long-term she's on the tissue salt potency (6x), along with tissue salts of Silica and Calc-ph. to strengthen her bones.
Calc-fl. isn't necessarily the remedy you want in your case, but it is handy when you're dealing with problems like osteoporosis (or cancer metastases to the bone) that are painful. And for long-term use, the tissue salts are excellent.
Peace,
Dale

[Soroush Ebrahimi]

How about Symph?
Soroush

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I have a case currently of an elderly woman (80s) with a spontaneous fracture of the sacrum -- this after taking the usual anti-osteoporosis meds for five years! There was truly extreme pain, because the fracture was not properly diagnosed for days. I used Calc-fl. 200c, BID, to wean her off her pain medications, but for long-term she's on the tissue salt potency (6x), along with tissue salts of Silica and Calc-ph. to strengthen her bones.
Calc-fl. isn't necessarily the remedy you want in your case, but it is handy when you're dealing with problems like osteoporosis (or cancer metastases to the bone) that are painful. And for long-term use, the tissue salts are excellent.
Peace,
Dale
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[Tanya Marquette]

this is interesting, since many of the osteo meds have flouride in them. it weakens
the bones in the long run. i recall reading that it replaces necessary bone minerals,
creates bone density as shown on x-rays, but weakens the bones, making them brittle
in the long run (after 2 yrs of use). the literature also indicated that once in the bones,
it is not possible to remove.
thus, i find it notable that you chose calc-fl as her rx and hope you will give us follow-
up feedback as to its success.
tanya

[rogermassey_homeo]

Apart from pains from the fracture - Calc.p tops the list for
persistent pains after a fracture- remedies for neuralgia, neuritis
might also help. Hypericum, Mag.phos, Theridion etc.

I would probably give Conium a shot- it has seat ( sacrum) and tissue
(bone)of action affinity.

I would also suggest just taking the symptoms - the actual kind of
pain, modalities, extensions etc, -forget about the causation or
fracture and see where it leads. esp. for chronic management this
works better since you are covering the symptoms anyway-
As a follow-up to the above post is - not just confining oneself to
remedies on fracture but also look at remedies that cause fractured,
broken feeling in sacrum- like aesculus, agaricus etc. There are so
many remedies that have a similar symptom picture or type of pain but
were never used for fracture...

Kreos has labor like pains in sacrum and is one of the top remedies
for old women ( Guaiacum, Lyco)

Sil causes chronic pain due to traumatic periostitis in sacrum.
Richard Hughes mentions Sil 3x( see the potency) long term for chronic
cancer pain. And there are accounts that this works for cancer pains
in that potency.Might work here as well since it covers injury to sacrum.
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "Dale Moss" wrote:
fracture of the sacrum -- this after taking the usual
anti-osteoporosis meds for five years! There was truly extreme pain,
because the fracture was not properly diagnosed for days. I used
Calc-fl. 200c, BID, to wean her off her pain medications, but for
long-term she's on the tissue salt potency (6x), along with tissue
salts of Silica and Calc-ph. to strengthen her bones.
is handy when you're dealing with problems like osteoporosis (or
cancer metastases to the bone) that are painful. And for long-term
use, the tissue salts are excellent.
are in extreme pain - and their doctors put them on heavy pain meds
which do not really help the pain, but create a situation where they
are not lucid enough to bother their care givers - so everyone (but
the recipient) seems happy to keep pushing those pain meds. I just
received a call from a woman now facing this situation whom I worked
with many years ago. She had old fractured vertebrae which cause
great pain where weather is a significant trigger. Years ago I gave
her rhus tox 12x to be used as only needed and she did very well (this
was in addition to nutrition, exercise, and a constitutional remedy
selected after appropriate case taking). Now she has had another
injury and none of the usual acute remedies are giving her relief.
Arnica gave some relief for the first few days, then nothing. Her
former 'constitutional' remedy has not given any pain relief and I
doubt appropriately covers the current picture. When she was in the
hospital they really pushed the pain meds. She is now feeling
pressure to accept that pain management means pharmaceuticals (and the
dull mental capacity and limited mobility) that they offer. She would
prefer to use homeopathy. Until now, she had great success in pain
management with homeopathy - and I don't know if the current
exaggerated pain is due to post injury inflammation and/or altered
pain threshold due to hospital mistreatment and drugs, or if this
represents a new level of pain for her. I will be taking the case
again next week.
that continue to exert pressure on the nerves (surgery is apparently
not an option), has anyone used homeopathy for long term pain
management in such a case?
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[Dale Moss]

Good suggestion. Symphytum was already given her by another homeopath. She needed something to address her pain, which Calc-fl. did.
Peace,
Dale
________________________________

[Dale Moss]

So far (it's been 2 or 3 months), she's doing very well. Pain was her main complaint; her blood pressure had also risen from the stress of the pain. The latter is slowly going down, and she has very little pain. (This is an elderly but extremely healthy and active woman.)
Dr. Ramakrishnan recommends Calc-fl. for bone problems with considerable pain, which certainly was her case. I've also used it in treating cancer with painful metastases to the bone (in tissue salt or 30c potency and as a supplement to Dr. R's plussing regimen).
Peace,
Dale

[Rochelle]

Dr Ramakrishnan also recommends Aurum (low potency) for bone pain and I have used this in situations and it has helped, dissolved in water and sipped frequently.
Rochelle
Registered Homeopath
EFT(Advanced) Practitioner
www.southporthomeopathy.co.uk

[Gisela dicarlo]

Rochelle
What do you mean by low potency 6C or 30C?
Gisela