Crataegus tincture

[Lucy De Pieri]

Hi all
just a question about Crataegus tincture, I found that is it an organ remedy specific for the heart (see Human condition: Critical, by Luc De Schepper pg 117 and 156) . The question is "Can Crataegus be useful to support the circulatory system (hence helping with high blood pressure and high cholesterol) or is it just indicated for the heart?
Thank you in advance for any comments
Kind regards
Lucy
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[Lynn Cremona]

Hello Lucy,

There is an excellent article on this remedy available from Homeoint.org from Anschutz New Old and Forgotten Remedies.
http://www.homeoint.org/seror/patho1900/cratoxy.htm

excerpt:
" Blood pressure observations revealed a fall in blood pressure averaging 13 ram. The individual records are as follows :

The maximum fall in blood pressure followed doses of ten drops of the tincture three times a day, and continued reduced throughout the proving ; but as the doses increased the blood pressure was not proportionately depressed.
Concerning the effects of Crataegus it is interesting to note that the symptom "a reduction in the pulse rate" was reported in the proving of this drug as conducted in the University of Michigan, and constitutes the most important effect which that proving reported."
Lynn
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[Rochelle]

Dr Ramakrishanan recommends 6 drops of Mother Tincture 3 times a day for 6 months to bring down blood pressure and cholesterol.
I have a patient whose cholesterol was brought down to normal after 2 months and got my mother off all her medication after a stent was put in her heart with 20 drops 3x a day.
Rochelle
Registered Homeopath
EFT(Advanced) Practitioner
www.southporthomeopathy.co.uk

[Christine Wyndham-Thomas]

A fascinating article Lynne and I thoroughly enjoyed reading it. I suppose its use would depend on the type of heart disease, since it lowers the pulse rate. I've just been reading about the cardiovascular system. I understand now why they say "ignorance is bliss"! Not sure what is meant by 'functional' as in the following context: "Her heart trouble, though very dangerous, was only functional, ......"
Christine

[DCR]

Cretageus (Hawthorn) is most often considered first in support of the heart and circulatory system – but Bilberry is frequently recommended when the overall circulatory system is to be supported. Other tinctures used for heart support include garlic, ginko, motherwork, onion; for high blood pressure – dandelion and garlic; for high cholesterol – artichoke, garlic, guggul, psyllium.

I wind up using Cretageus far more often than any of the others in my practice.
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Subject: [Minutus] Crataegus tincture
Hi all
just a question about Crataegus tincture, I found that is it an organ remedy specific for the heart (see Human condition: Critical, by Luc De Schepper pg 117 and 156) . The question is "Can Crataegus be useful to support the circulatory system (hence helping with high blood pressure and high cholesterol) or is it just indicated for the heart?
Thank you in advance for any comments
Kind regards
Lucy
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[ForumGal]

Dear all,
I learned awhile ago (who remembers where) that crataegus/hawthorne is "for" ischemea/artery & vein plaque. Which is probably one reason it imacts blood pressure.
Best, Margaret in Boston
PS According to some systems, ear lobe creases indicate ischemia ("read your body like a book" )
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[Pauline Ashford]

Christine I have always taken this to mean that the only changes in the heart/or mentioned organs so far are in the “function” only of the organ – not actual pathology yet – if it continues it usually starts to make the changes in tissue and then becomes a pathological change that can affect the function even more permanently – the functional changes are perhaps like the symptoms that may follow an infection or inflammation of a kidney affecting the normal function (say the leaking of proteins and blood) – if this was untreated or continued there may be permanent pathological changes like scarring or similar which then make the functional changes more permanent. I have always thought of the functional changes as the most likely to cure time to treat (well other than preventative constitutional prescribing) as there is more chance of affecting a cure at the functional change than if there has been permanent pathological or histiological changes. Regards Pauline
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A fascinating article Lynne and I thoroughly enjoyed reading it. I suppose its use would depend on the type of heart disease, since it lowers the pulse rate. I've just been reading about the cardiovascular system. I understand now why they say "ignorance is bliss"! Not sure what is meant by 'functional' as in the following context: "Her heart trouble, though very dangerous, was only functional, ......"
Christine

[Irene de Villiers]

There's more to it than that. As a herb it is well researched for use
in heart and circulatory issues.
With women, the cause of high blood pressure is usually not plaque
(it is with men) but arterial spasm, and hawthorne berries as a herb
will bring that high BP down very nicely - but you need to do more
than that:

The protocol I used myself was two caps a day, then 4 then 6 then 8 a
day - increasinhg gradually till I had the support level I needed.
then add in homeopathy (repertorized, potentized remedy) , fish oil
and Vit E to heal the heart. Then gradually taper of the "crutch" of
the hawthornberry herb needed to support the system during healing.
In my case I started with systolic near 200 in April 2001 and tapered
in Nov 2001, at which point I had systolic of 110 without herb or
homeopathy needed any more.

Namaste,
Irene
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P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[Lucy De Pieri]

Thank you Irene. Please see below
There's more to it than that. As a herb it is well researched for use
in heart and circulatory issues.
With women, the cause of high blood pressure is usually not plaque
(it is with men) but arterial spasm, and hawthorne berries as a herb
will bring that high BP down very nicely - but you need to do more
than that:

The protocol I used myself was two caps a day, then 4 then 6 then 8 a
day - increasinhg gradually till I had the support level I needed.
then add in homeopathy (repertorized, potentized remedy) , fish oil
and Vit E to heal the heart.
Please explain what you mean by 2 cups a day, then 4 then 6 a day. Are you using the herb as a tea and not the tincture?

Do you have any experience with using the tincture? I cannot find the herb locally while to tincture is easily available. So you don't use the constitutional remedy all along?

Can number of tea cups be related to # of drops?
Thank you for sharing

Kind regards

Lucy
Then gradually taper of the "crutch" of
the hawthornberry herb needed to support the system during healing.
In my case I started with systolic near 200 in April 2001 and tapered
in Nov 2001, at which point I had systolic of 110 without herb or
homeopathy needed any more.

Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet. Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire. com/fl/furryboot s/clickhere. html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
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[Shannon Nelson]

Hi Lucy,
Speaking to part of your question, note that Irene wrote two (etc.)
*caps* a day, not cups! Capsules. To do a similar process with
tincture, I'd think you could begin with whatever is suggested on the
label (or would there be any reason to begin with less?), then
increase gradually until the necessary effect is achieved.

My understanding is that it's entirely non-toxic, so you don't need to
be precise with the dosage, just sufficient!
Shannon
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