treating mother and nursing child

[Shannon Nelson]

On Oct 20, 2007, at 9:01 PM, Irene de Villiers wrote:
Actually that is a "standard" way of dosing a nursing child--or at
least it's the way our very "traditional", Vithoulkian homeopath had me
dose my then-infant--for me to take the remedy that was indicated for
her, and for her to get it thru nursing. It worked just fine, and/but
there was never any problem from her getting my remedies. His
explanation was that the two (mother and nursling) are so tied anyway,
both chemically and energetically, that what's needed by one is apt to
be relevant to the other anyway. Who knows why... It does seem to
have a good track record, tho.
Shannon

[Shannon Nelson]

That was my thought too.

[Shannon Nelson]

Irene,
Have you specifically *tried* giving a kitten a remedy thru its mother
and had it fail?
Shannon

[Vera Resnick]

I've also treated the child often through the mother - but more with newborns, roughly up to 5-6 months. Also when I've done so I've checked that the remedy has some relevance for the mother too.
From this discussion though it looks like there is reason to treat through the mother even if the remedy is totally irrelevant for the mother, in which case the VF of the mother just won't react to it. But in that case - why not just give the remedy directly to the newborn/small child? Any thoughts?
Regards,
Vera

[Irene de Villiers]

Robert & Shannon Nelson wrote:
Hi Shannon,

No I would not do that, I don't see the point:-)
If the kitten needs a remedy I give it to the kitten:-)

The trickiest kitten case I had was one of an extremely undersize kitten
(the result of its mother getting alfalfa in the food - toxic to cats),
whose little mouth was way too small to get round its mother's smallest
teat. I hand-raised her; the entire kitten was half the size of my
forefinger at birth.
She needed Lyc, and got it, aqueous, in her formula. (Her mother
needed something different and got it.) The kitten is now a robust adult
of about 5 years, I call her my miracle kitty.

So I'll agree that dosing an infant is easiest to do in its formula,
but that's the only principle that makes sense here - I don't agree with
dosing one individual in order to have it rub off on another -
especially when each needs a *different* remedy - and when dosing the
individual directly is so easy.

Maybe the indirect stuff was a left-over of the dry dose days? Even then
making a paste out of crushed remedy and rubbing a pintip/pinhead worth
on the gums or somewhere, would be fine to dose it directly. I can see
no reason to experiment with indirect dosing and risk a mismatch of
remedy for someone's life force.

Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[Shannon Nelson]

I agree that it's easy enough to dose an infant.
I guess I would only suggest this might be one of those cases where an
argument based on (however reasonable) a theory is less useful than one
based on repeated experience. When mine was tiny, and fussy; and I was
exhausted and worried, I did find it pretty wonderful to be able to
treat her so simply (no worry about is the finger clean, did I give her
enough [yeah, I know], etc., etc...), and the results were terrific.
Once she got older, we did it directly. The situation is in many ways
different in dosing an animal, tho presumably could be done in the same
way, for similar reasons...
That's all--
Best wishes!
Shannon

[Irene de Villiers]

Robert & Shannon Nelson wrote:

I can certainly identify with exhaustion of the mother with a fussy
infant. Here's where cats have taught me lessons since the time my own
kids were little:
At times I deal with feral cats who do not wish to be near humans at
all - and there is no way to dose them "by mouth". But one can still
dose them directly. I use a plant mister bottle, and just "rain" down
the superfine mist where the kitten/cat will breathe it. This would be
just as good with babies.

One can use BAch remedies the same way - so for example:
A feral cat bitten almost in half by a coyote was brought to the clinic
miraculously still alive - on a board on a towel carried by someone
scared to touch the cat - it had been eased onto the board with a plank
for transport. Although actually unable to move from injuries the
expression of fear was clear as day. So I did not touch the cat for five
minutes while I did this:
I spray-misted Bach (rescue remedy, aspen and mimulus combined which I
always kept handy), then Aconitum 200C followed by Arnica 200C, and then
repeated all three - all within 5 minutes.
The cat's expression visibly changed and it relaxed, and allowed us
all (vet, vet tech and myself as homeopath) to get to work with it,
without going onto shock. He was in surgery for the next 7.5 hours to
get his lower end reattached to his upper half - by some miracle the
major organs were all intact - and I never saw more superb surgery to
reassemble bits of muscle etc.
Homeopathy kept the cat out of shock, the vet tech was an ace with
anesthetic, and the cat ended up with an 18 inch S-shaped scar all along
the side. He healed in double-quick time - getting spray-misted remedy
and a dose of Arnica 10M after surgery (it is practically a specific for
"fear of hands approaching" as well as being what was needed here to
heal) and weekly again twice.
About 2 weeks later, said pussy cat came swaggering into the surgery
on a leash no less, very proud of the 18 inch S along his side.
[One can also dose cats/animals/infants in drinking water.]
I am not fussy about grubby fingers with babies/kittens/etc - washed
hands is more than enough but it's easy to dose with a Q-tip without
touching their remedy. The body only has to detect remedy, dose amount
is less an issue - and a Q-tip is soft and won't poke. A Q-tip can be
bitten with no harm done too.
To you too - thanks for the chat!

NAmaste,
IRene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[Irene de Villiers]

Luise Kunkle wrote:
That's interesting. Luise, do you know if that was in the days of dry
dosing (before 6th Ed for example?) ?

I am just curious as to why he would not have dosed the infant directly.

Namaste,
IRene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[Shannon Nelson]

I've wondered the same, and all I could think of is that sanitation
might have been a much bigger issue then than it is now?
Shannon

[McPhee Family]

Anecdotal: When we began treating my son for autism at 18 months, his first remedy was via breastmilk from me. But - we needed the same remedy. It was very effective with no aggravations. Perhaps it is the ultimate dilution?
Truly,
Erica