In a message dated 9/29/2007 10:44:44 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rochelle@ntlworld.com writes:
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Researching Fungus Fungi
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Re: Researching Fungus Fungi
Ah hooray, a success story! 
)
But in my understanding, the only proper approach to toenail fungus
would *be* constitutional prescription. It is NOT a local problem, can
(at least as I've understood it) happen *only* when the body's defenses
are down, when the body is imbalanced. This would be a prime example
of a condition that should *not* be treated locally. Not because I
think that soaking the toes in vinegar (or tea tree oil or whatever)
would do any harm in itself (suppressive? dunno, but I'm skeptical in
this case), but simply because the underlying fungal imbalance is a
significant one, which *will* be affecting the overall body/mind system
in other ways, and *really* ought to be deal with, thru systemic
re-balancing. First vote going of course to "homeopathic
constitutional treatment" (here I am using "constitutional" simply in
the sense of "most broadly and deeply indicated remedy I can find"),
but other systemic rebalancing methods would include the diet,
probiotic, etc., approaches, tho those are harder and less lasting; and
no doubt other "holistic" approaches could work also--detox, energy
work, all that.
I would think any remedy that took away toenail fungus *without* also
improving the overall state--in other words one that was not
"constitutional" per my above definition-- would stand a pretty good
chance of ultimately turning out to be suppressive??? Or at best, of
allowing the underlying imbalance to continue to worsen...?
Shannon
)But in my understanding, the only proper approach to toenail fungus
would *be* constitutional prescription. It is NOT a local problem, can
(at least as I've understood it) happen *only* when the body's defenses
are down, when the body is imbalanced. This would be a prime example
of a condition that should *not* be treated locally. Not because I
think that soaking the toes in vinegar (or tea tree oil or whatever)
would do any harm in itself (suppressive? dunno, but I'm skeptical in
this case), but simply because the underlying fungal imbalance is a
significant one, which *will* be affecting the overall body/mind system
in other ways, and *really* ought to be deal with, thru systemic
re-balancing. First vote
going of course to "homeopathic constitutional treatment" (here I am using "constitutional" simply in
the sense of "most broadly and deeply indicated remedy I can find"),
but other systemic rebalancing methods would include the diet,
probiotic, etc., approaches, tho those are harder and less lasting; and
no doubt other "holistic" approaches could work also--detox, energy
work, all that.
I would think any remedy that took away toenail fungus *without* also
improving the overall state--in other words one that was not
"constitutional" per my above definition-- would stand a pretty good
chance of ultimately turning out to be suppressive??? Or at best, of
allowing the underlying imbalance to continue to worsen...?
Shannon
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Re: Researching Fungus Fungi
So the "it" referred to the product he was using, not to the thuja.
Jeff--to what degree are you aware of the differences between classical
method and one that uses combination remedies?
Shannon
Jeff--to what degree are you aware of the differences between classical
method and one that uses combination remedies?
Shannon
Re: Researching Fungus Fungi
In a message dated 9/29/2007 11:05:54 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, shannonnelson@tds.net writes:
I am aware,and I talked with my counselor about it,
No information in this letter should be construed as medical advice.
This information is for educational purposes only.
Jeff Frankel
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I am aware,and I talked with my counselor about it,
No information in this letter should be construed as medical advice.
This information is for educational purposes only.
Jeff Frankel
10360 Pine Lakes Blvd
North Fort Myers, Fl 33903
239-731-2655
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Re: Researching Fungus Fungi
Dear Jeff,
You wrote:-
Ok what you have above is a typical combo (combination) remedy. How do you know which remedy has worked - if by some chance it does? Also remedies are not meant to be used in a combo as they were "proved" separately. Goodness knows what the proving is when they are combined.
In my opinion(IMO) combos at their best do nothing!!
Rochelle
Registered Homeopath
EFT(Advanced) Practitioner
www.southporthomeopathy.co.uk
You wrote:-
Ok what you have above is a typical combo (combination) remedy. How do you know which remedy has worked - if by some chance it does? Also remedies are not meant to be used in a combo as they were "proved" separately. Goodness knows what the proving is when they are combined.
In my opinion(IMO) combos at their best do nothing!!
Rochelle
Registered Homeopath
EFT(Advanced) Practitioner
www.southporthomeopathy.co.uk
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Re: Researching Fungus Fungi
rochelle wrote:
Rochelle,
This actually makes it worse - feeds the fungi very nicely!
Are you sure?
For a long time there was an old wives tale going round that "taught" us
not to exercise after eating. I used to believe it myslef - not based on
any experience or science - just on what was drummed into me as a kid by
all and sundry
It was all incorrect - and in fact exercising after eating is actually
very healthy - especially for those who are diabetic or what is
(erroneously) called "pre-diabetic".
The term "pre-diabetic" is opne invented by ADA to limit how many they
have to call diabetic - an artificial entity indeed! A bit like being
partly pregnant. There's no such thing.
Either your pancreas is healthy and normal and is dong what it should as
soon as carbs touch your saliva - or it is not, and if it is not normal
your glucose WILL go up when it should be managed at 80 to 90 [or for a
really high carb meal, maybe a bit higher - but we should not be eating
very high carb meals., and we are not cavemen by trade.]
In a normal person, when carbs get to the saliva - even before they are
swallowed, the amylase in human saliva starts working and triggers
absorption through the wall of the mouth, which in turn triggers a
message to the pancreas to release *stored* insulin.
The *stored* insulin from the pancreas then is sent where it is needed
to PREVENT a rise in glucose form eating carbohydrates.
In this way a *normal* person - one who not only makes insulin but can
STORE it in the pancreas - prevents a rise in glucose after eating
carbohydrates.
In a so-called pre-diabetic person, the pancreas is still able to make
insulin - but is too damaged to store it, or is unable to store enough
to counter what's eaten in an immediate way. thus there is no stored
insulin ior not enough of it, to counter the carbohydrates you eat - and
so YUOUR blood glucose will rise after eatring - which is ABnormal, as a
NORMAL pancreas stores insulin and releases it as needed to prevent that
rise.
So by eating and NOT exercising you are letting your damaged pancreas
have to work hard to make more insulin after food, and meanwhile the
fungi has a heyday:-)
The harder you work your already damaged pancreas (which remember is
already damaged and unable to store insulin as proved by raised glucose
after meals) the more it will be "flogged to death" and lead you to
diabetes, in which there is a higher rise in glucose for a longer time
while the damaged cells work hard to make the insulin needed to counter
the carbohydrates you swallowed for them to work on.
If you would rather reverse the "pre-diabetes", you would eat to give
your pancreas a rest and to provide anti-inflamamtory diet to them for
healing. To do that you need to eat less carbs and exercise *after*
meals moderately - enough so your glucose does not rise after eating.
The longer you do that over time, the less inflamed your pancreas beta
cells will be, and the better they will heal and be able to make (and
maybe store) insulin for your needs. This is the way to go from
pre-diabetes to healthy - instead of from pre-diabetes to diabetes.
The anti-inflammatory diet is also key - and you can read up on that in
Dr Nicholas Perricone's books if you like.
My own diabetes was bad enough in Nov 2004 when diagnosed, for me to be
insulin-shot dependent even i8f I only had a mere 4g of carbs with a
meal - I was not only unable to store insulin but practically unable to
make any. My glucose was in the 190 range when I started my healing
approach - basically doing what I had to do to keep glucose down.
Initially I aimed under 136, then under 110, then ion the 80-90 range.
It took me a year to get where I am mow - I still consider myself
diabetic as I need to east a low carb diet, and I have cortisol
producing tumours that damage my pancreas continuously.
BUT - my diet and exercise routine combined have got me where my blood
sugar is never over 100 - with NO drugs or insulin. My fasting level is
80-82 and postprandial 100 lasts only 10 to 20 mins before it is 90 or
below.
So it can be done (despite the cortisol uphill battle in my case.)
All the diabetes societies "consider that normal".
I do not go by their definition.
I go by what a healthy person with no "pre-diabetes" or pancreas damage
shows. To me THAT is the true normal.
If you want to use a statistical decision from a diabetes society - fine
but know that the definition is a contrived one to suit their own
objectives in managing country-wide increasing levels of diabetes.
If the "diabetes societies" knew what they were talking about, the rate
of diabetes would go down instead of up. Consider that aspect too:-)
If you want the true picture of what is actually going on in the body to
cause insulin resistance, pre-diabetes, diabetes or anything related -
AND how to fix it - then I recommend reading "Dr Bernstein's Diabetes
Solution" as a starting place and Dr Nicholas Perricone's books on
anti-inflammatory diet. Combine them and you can restore health.
Low GI is better than high GI - but low carb and anti-inflamamtory is
worlds better.
I'm not familiar with it.
What I used to use is:
alpha lipoic acid and chromium and gymnema sylvestre in a formula called
"Sugar-Ban". But I do not need them any more as my pancreas is healed
and now stores insulin for me.
And ALL people with no pancreas damage on no medication.
Do a random test on the street and you'll confirm it:-)
I did
One can find almost anything on the web:-))
No offence but I like real research better.
It's why I referred you to Dr Bernstein. He's a diabetes specialist -
chose to do that originally to help himself - he was diabetic as a child.
However re what you found "on the web":
I go unconscious at 55 myself, and have dangerously fallen off a bicycle
before I could get off in a controlled way as I went hazy....
Who goes unconscious when, does vary quite a lot.
I know one lady who is conscious at 35!
4.0 75 slightly low, first
It all depends what you define as "nondiabetic"
The diabetes society has weird ideas that are not related to whether
there is pancreas damage. The simple fact of NOT being able to STORE
insulin is where MY cut-off is for "normal".
It is normal to be able to store insulin, ready to use - and which then
prevents ANY rise in glucose after meals.
8.0 150 normal
Correct:-)
Allopathic hogwash is my view of that:-)
I'm interested in how "normal" the pancreas function is:-)
When they measure that to decide who's normal, I'll listen up:-)
But I am not holding my breath - I am just acting on what *I* know is
right:-)
Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
Rochelle,
This actually makes it worse - feeds the fungi very nicely!
Are you sure?
For a long time there was an old wives tale going round that "taught" us
not to exercise after eating. I used to believe it myslef - not based on
any experience or science - just on what was drummed into me as a kid by
all and sundry
It was all incorrect - and in fact exercising after eating is actually
very healthy - especially for those who are diabetic or what is
(erroneously) called "pre-diabetic".
The term "pre-diabetic" is opne invented by ADA to limit how many they
have to call diabetic - an artificial entity indeed! A bit like being
partly pregnant. There's no such thing.
Either your pancreas is healthy and normal and is dong what it should as
soon as carbs touch your saliva - or it is not, and if it is not normal
your glucose WILL go up when it should be managed at 80 to 90 [or for a
really high carb meal, maybe a bit higher - but we should not be eating
very high carb meals., and we are not cavemen by trade.]
In a normal person, when carbs get to the saliva - even before they are
swallowed, the amylase in human saliva starts working and triggers
absorption through the wall of the mouth, which in turn triggers a
message to the pancreas to release *stored* insulin.
The *stored* insulin from the pancreas then is sent where it is needed
to PREVENT a rise in glucose form eating carbohydrates.
In this way a *normal* person - one who not only makes insulin but can
STORE it in the pancreas - prevents a rise in glucose after eating
carbohydrates.
In a so-called pre-diabetic person, the pancreas is still able to make
insulin - but is too damaged to store it, or is unable to store enough
to counter what's eaten in an immediate way. thus there is no stored
insulin ior not enough of it, to counter the carbohydrates you eat - and
so YUOUR blood glucose will rise after eatring - which is ABnormal, as a
NORMAL pancreas stores insulin and releases it as needed to prevent that
rise.
So by eating and NOT exercising you are letting your damaged pancreas
have to work hard to make more insulin after food, and meanwhile the
fungi has a heyday:-)
The harder you work your already damaged pancreas (which remember is
already damaged and unable to store insulin as proved by raised glucose
after meals) the more it will be "flogged to death" and lead you to
diabetes, in which there is a higher rise in glucose for a longer time
while the damaged cells work hard to make the insulin needed to counter
the carbohydrates you swallowed for them to work on.
If you would rather reverse the "pre-diabetes", you would eat to give
your pancreas a rest and to provide anti-inflamamtory diet to them for
healing. To do that you need to eat less carbs and exercise *after*
meals moderately - enough so your glucose does not rise after eating.
The longer you do that over time, the less inflamed your pancreas beta
cells will be, and the better they will heal and be able to make (and
maybe store) insulin for your needs. This is the way to go from
pre-diabetes to healthy - instead of from pre-diabetes to diabetes.
The anti-inflammatory diet is also key - and you can read up on that in
Dr Nicholas Perricone's books if you like.
My own diabetes was bad enough in Nov 2004 when diagnosed, for me to be
insulin-shot dependent even i8f I only had a mere 4g of carbs with a
meal - I was not only unable to store insulin but practically unable to
make any. My glucose was in the 190 range when I started my healing
approach - basically doing what I had to do to keep glucose down.
Initially I aimed under 136, then under 110, then ion the 80-90 range.
It took me a year to get where I am mow - I still consider myself
diabetic as I need to east a low carb diet, and I have cortisol
producing tumours that damage my pancreas continuously.
BUT - my diet and exercise routine combined have got me where my blood
sugar is never over 100 - with NO drugs or insulin. My fasting level is
80-82 and postprandial 100 lasts only 10 to 20 mins before it is 90 or
below.
So it can be done (despite the cortisol uphill battle in my case.)
All the diabetes societies "consider that normal".
I do not go by their definition.
I go by what a healthy person with no "pre-diabetes" or pancreas damage
shows. To me THAT is the true normal.
If you want to use a statistical decision from a diabetes society - fine
but know that the definition is a contrived one to suit their own
objectives in managing country-wide increasing levels of diabetes.
If the "diabetes societies" knew what they were talking about, the rate
of diabetes would go down instead of up. Consider that aspect too:-)
If you want the true picture of what is actually going on in the body to
cause insulin resistance, pre-diabetes, diabetes or anything related -
AND how to fix it - then I recommend reading "Dr Bernstein's Diabetes
Solution" as a starting place and Dr Nicholas Perricone's books on
anti-inflammatory diet. Combine them and you can restore health.
Low GI is better than high GI - but low carb and anti-inflamamtory is
worlds better.
I'm not familiar with it.
What I used to use is:
alpha lipoic acid and chromium and gymnema sylvestre in a formula called
"Sugar-Ban". But I do not need them any more as my pancreas is healed
and now stores insulin for me.
And ALL people with no pancreas damage on no medication.
Do a random test on the street and you'll confirm it:-)
I did
One can find almost anything on the web:-))
No offence but I like real research better.
It's why I referred you to Dr Bernstein. He's a diabetes specialist -
chose to do that originally to help himself - he was diabetic as a child.
However re what you found "on the web":
I go unconscious at 55 myself, and have dangerously fallen off a bicycle
before I could get off in a controlled way as I went hazy....
Who goes unconscious when, does vary quite a lot.
I know one lady who is conscious at 35!
4.0 75 slightly low, first
It all depends what you define as "nondiabetic"
The diabetes society has weird ideas that are not related to whether
there is pancreas damage. The simple fact of NOT being able to STORE
insulin is where MY cut-off is for "normal".
It is normal to be able to store insulin, ready to use - and which then
prevents ANY rise in glucose after meals.
8.0 150 normal
Correct:-)
Allopathic hogwash is my view of that:-)
I'm interested in how "normal" the pancreas function is:-)
When they measure that to decide who's normal, I'll listen up:-)
But I am not holding my breath - I am just acting on what *I* know is
right:-)
Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
Re: Researching Fungus Fungi
Thanks Irene- That was soooo interesting.
Aah "moderately", yes, but I enjoy Body Combat, Boxercise circuit, Body
Attack routine which really I couldn't do after eating. Walking fast on a
treadmill would be too boring for me and walking outside on my own is not
advisable in UK as it is usually too cold and dark after dinner!!
I am cutting the carbs which is why I have managed to lose weight.
I agree with you about what you wrote concerning the word Pre- diabetic!!!
I take Chromium and I did actually try gymnema (10 drops before meals) for 2
months and it did nothing and my fasting blood sugar was raising towards 7.
The Salacia O apparently combines with the enzymes which break down the
carbs so preventing them from getting through to the blood stream apparently
but since they are in capsule form this must happen to the enzymes in the
small intestine rather than the saliva .
I have never had a hypo but why should I if I am not on medication.
Overall I am impressed at what you have achieved and shall track down the
authors you suggest I read. I have never heard of an anti inflammatory diet.
All the best
Rochelle
Registered Homeopath
EFT(Advanced) Practitioner
www.southporthomeopathy.co.uk
Aah "moderately", yes, but I enjoy Body Combat, Boxercise circuit, Body
Attack routine which really I couldn't do after eating. Walking fast on a
treadmill would be too boring for me and walking outside on my own is not
advisable in UK as it is usually too cold and dark after dinner!!
I am cutting the carbs which is why I have managed to lose weight.
I agree with you about what you wrote concerning the word Pre- diabetic!!!
I take Chromium and I did actually try gymnema (10 drops before meals) for 2
months and it did nothing and my fasting blood sugar was raising towards 7.
The Salacia O apparently combines with the enzymes which break down the
carbs so preventing them from getting through to the blood stream apparently
but since they are in capsule form this must happen to the enzymes in the
small intestine rather than the saliva .
I have never had a hypo but why should I if I am not on medication.
Overall I am impressed at what you have achieved and shall track down the
authors you suggest I read. I have never heard of an anti inflammatory diet.
All the best
Rochelle
Registered Homeopath
EFT(Advanced) Practitioner
www.southporthomeopathy.co.uk
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Tanya Marquette
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Re: Researching Fungus Fungi
rochelle,
there is quite a bit of work on anti-inflammatory
diets. one book in my library is The Inflammation Syndrome:
the complete nutritional program to prevent and reverse heart
disease, arthritis, diabetes, allergies, asthma.
It is by Jack Challem. publ wiley & sons, inc. 2003 there is
a considerable bibliography at the end.
john mercola, nd is a big one on this type of diet. you can
probably find articles on his web site www.mercola.com he
has a search engine for his exhaustive archive of articles.
tanya
there is quite a bit of work on anti-inflammatory
diets. one book in my library is The Inflammation Syndrome:
the complete nutritional program to prevent and reverse heart
disease, arthritis, diabetes, allergies, asthma.
It is by Jack Challem. publ wiley & sons, inc. 2003 there is
a considerable bibliography at the end.
john mercola, nd is a big one on this type of diet. you can
probably find articles on his web site www.mercola.com he
has a search engine for his exhaustive archive of articles.
tanya
Re: Researching Fungus Fungi
The Mercola one looks like an Atkins type diet to me!!
Rochelle
Registered Homeopath
EFT(Advanced) Practitioner
www.southporthomeopathy.co.uk
Rochelle
Registered Homeopath
EFT(Advanced) Practitioner
www.southporthomeopathy.co.uk