Organon 6 - 26

[Soroush Ebrahimi]

§ 26

This depends on the following homœopathic law of nature which was sometimes, indeed, vaguely surmised but not hitherto fully recognized, and to which is due every real cure that has ever taken place:

A weaker dynamic affection is permanently extinguished in the living organism by a stronger one, if the latter (whilst differing in kind) is very similar to the former in its manifestations.1

1 Thus are cured both physical affections and moral maladies. How is it that in the early dawn the brilliant Jupiter vanishes from the gaze of the beholder? By a stronger very similar power acting on his optic nerve, the brightness of approaching day! - In situations replete with foetid odors, wherewith is it usual to soothe effectually the offended olfactory nerves? With snuff, that affects the sense of smell in a similar but stronger manner! No music, no sugared cake, which act on the nerves of other senses, can cure this olfactory disgust. How does the soldier cunningly stifle the piteous cries of him who runs the gauntlet from the ears of the compassionate bystanders? By the shrill notes of the fife commingled with the roll of the noisy drum! And the distant roar of the enemy’s cannon that inspires his army with fear? By the loud boom of the big drum! For neither the one nor the other would the distribution of a brilliant piece of uniform nor a reprimand to the regiment suffice. In like manner, mourning and sorrow will be effaced from the mind by the account of another and still greater cause for sorrow happening to another, even though it be a mere fiction. The injurious consequences of too great joy will be removed by drinking coffee, which produces an excessive joyous state of mind. Nations like the Germans, who have for centuries been gradually sinking deeper and deeper in soulless apathy and degrading serfdom, must first be trodden still deeper in the dust by the Western Conqueror, until their situation became intolerable; their mean opinion of themselves was thereby over-strained and removed; they again became alive to their dignity as men, and then, for the first time, they raised their heads as Germans.

[Soroush Ebrahimi]

§ 26

This depends on the following homœopathic law of nature which was sometimes, indeed, vaguely surmised but not hitherto fully recognized, and to which is due every real cure that has ever taken place:

A weaker dynamic affection is permanently extinguished in the living organism by a stronger one, if the latter (whilst differing in kind) is very similar to the former in its manifestations.1

1 Thus are cured both physical affections and moral maladies. How is it that in the early dawn the brilliant Jupiter vanishes from the gaze of the beholder? By a stronger very similar power acting on his optic nerve, the brightness of approaching day! - In situations replete with foetid odors, wherewith is it usual to soothe effectually the offended olfactory nerves? With snuff, that affects the sense of smell in a similar but stronger manner! No music, no sugared cake, which act on the nerves of other senses, can cure this olfactory disgust. How does the soldier cunningly stifle the piteous cries of him who runs the gauntlet from the ears of the compassionate bystanders? By the shrill notes of the fife commingled with the roll of the noisy drum! And the distant roar of the enemy’s cannon that inspires his army with fear? By the loud boom of the big drum! For neither the one nor the other would the distribution of a brilliant piece of uniform nor a reprimand to the regiment suffice. In like manner, mourning and sorrow will be effaced from the mind by the account of another and still greater cause for sorrow happening to another, even though it be a mere fiction. The injurious consequences of too great joy will be removed by drinking coffee, which produces an excessive joyous state of mind. Nations like the Germans, who have for centuries been gradually sinking deeper and deeper in soulless apathy and degrading serfdom, must first be trodden still deeper in the dust by the Western Conqueror, until their situation became intolerable; their mean opinion of themselves was thereby over-strained and removed; they again became alive to their dignity as men, and then, for the first time, they raised their heads as Germans.

[Soroush Ebrahimi]

Dear Michael

The application of herbs can be homoeopathic! Indeed homoeopathy was
discovered by observing the action of the extract of a bark. (CHINA
OFFICINALIS (chin.).

Do not forget that there are three causes for a disease:
1- Fundamental cause (Based on miasms)
2- Exciting Cause
3- Maintaining cause.

Do not forget that the body is able to cure itself if it is in tune.
So if someone's diet is poor and you correct this by adding the correct
amount of the vitamins that missing, or by correcting their diet, then their
symptoms should go away.
After all, symptoms are the only language with which the vital force can
tell the observer that something is not quite right.

In my view, your assessment of the role of the miasms (The after effect
various diseases in the patient's own life or those inherited) is correct.

Regards

Soroush

[Michael]

If every real cure must take place according to this
law, does it mean that if a person is treated by
acupuncture, herbs, vitamins, other alternative
therapies, the real cure does not take place (even
though a person may seem cured, his tests are good and
he looks quite healthy)?
If this is a law of nature, it must be valid for all
cases of cure. Or is it valid only in the sphere of
homeopathy? Are other alternative therapies really
curing or only suppressing a disease for a time and
later it appears in another place?
I thought about it many times, but I do not know the
answer.
Another question which interests me very much in this
regard, is chronic miasms. If they really exist,
alternative therapies cannot influence them and miasms
remain dormant/latent in the person even after the
"cure" by acupuncture, herbs, etc, and miasms flare up
later at some good moment. But the person will not
connect this new flare-up with his previous cure, he
will think that this is a new disease. Not all
homeopaths use the theory of miasms in their work.
Some even say that miasms do not exist.

Michael

--- Finrod wrote:

but not hitherto fully recognized, and to which is
extinguished in the living organism by a stronger one,
if the latter (whilst differing in kind) is very
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[Michael]

--- Finrod wrote:
Dear Soroush,

Every chronic disease has an underlying miasm
(fundamental cause). If we treat chronic diseases by
herbs, acupuncture, vitamins, we do not target the
miasm. So the fundamental cause will not be removed,
even if the person gets well.
Symptoms are the only expression of the deranged vital
force, but symptoms of a chronic disease always
reflect some miasm. We may remove symptoms, but not
remove the miasm (fundamental cause).
Shall we take the miasms into account or it is enough
to remove the symptoms only?
I read several homeopathic forums and I see that many
people are mostly interested in symptoms and rubrics
only.
Murphy says that we must try to understand the state
of health first taking into account the miasms (to see
the general picture) and then only look at the
symptoms (details of the picture).
If we only try to uncover all the symptoms, but do not
look at the wider perspective (current state of
health, miasms), maybe we do not see the forest behind
the trees?

Michael
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[Michael]

Dear Soroush,

I am not well-versed in Organon and I do not remember
in which paragraph Hahnemann writes that the chronic
diseases have no tendency to spontaneous cure (unlike
acute diseases). The body (or the vital force) itself
cannot get rid of the chronic disease which is based
on a miasm (or a combination of miasms). The body
(vital force) can get rid of the acute disease,
especially if boosted by vitamins, herbs, etc.
In Chinese medicine usually several herbs are given in
a mixture. It is most improbable that they are all
homeopathic to the case. They work well, they remove
symptoms, but the question is if they remove the cause
of the disease, which is the miasm?
I know people who treat all possible serious diseases
(even cancer) with vitamins, nutritional supplements,
etc. I am not sure that in such cases these things
will boost the vital force enough to get rid of cancer
or MS.

Michael

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[Shannon M]

Hi Michael,
If you remove symptoms without removing cause (e.g. miasm), the
symptoms will return--observation of exactly that process is what led
Hahnemann to develop his theories about miasms and chronic disease!
And of course, the only way we have to determine the miasm, is by
considering the symptoms. What's different, with miasmatic
prescribing, is that we are considering not only the individual
patient's presenting symptoms, but also their lifetime pattern of
symptoms, as well as that of their genetic inheritance. Still, it is
based on symptoms.

Have to also note, "symptom" is a pretty vague term... Basically,
doesn't it simply mean anything which indicates imbalance, and/or
anything which can lead us to a needed remedy?

Shannon

[Soroush Ebrahimi]

Dear Michael

Of course Chronic disease have no tendency to cure.

However, what I am saying is that you do not need to have a potentised
substance to cure them - you could possibly do it with a crude plant
extract - although this may cause other problems. (Never tried it, but say
Gon treated with crude extract from 'the tree of life - THUJA OCCIDENTALIS
(thuj.))

Cancer is not a disease as such - it is the immune system that is faulty as
cancer cells are produced almost all the time - the difference being that
the healthy immune system finds and destroys them quickly. When it become
faulty, the immune system fails to recognise these cells and they grow and
establish a colony which destroys the host cells.

When we say something is cured, we must use the homoeopathic concept of
cure. In Allopathy, if your cancer has gone away for 5 years you are
'cured'. yet you may have a lot of other problems.

Regards

Soroush

[Luise Kunkle]

Hi Soroush,
This is what makes them a chronic disease - it is Hahnemann's
definition.
It would still be given by the homeopathic principle. Just as using
heat for burns and snow for frozen limbs.

TCM on the other hand used the allopathic principle. So according to
Hahnemann it cannot cure.

Most herbs are not prescribed on homeopathic principles. According to
Hahnemann they cannot cure.

Vitamins etc on could see as part of diet. They cannot cure a chronic
disease (acc. to Hahnemann.)

This is ONE hypthesis.

Wait a minute!

This would mean: a patient who has been treated by a good classical
homeopath has his miasms cured. He should never after that be prone to
any manifestations of chronic disease.

After years of reading lists and forums I consider that this *very
rarely* happens. People e.g. get cancer who have for decades been
under excellent homeopathic care, etc. I know about children that have
been under the care of one of the most excellent homeopaths ever since
birth or toddlers and still have manifestations of chronic disease.

So, let's stay humble and realistic:-)

Regards

Luise
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[Luise Kunkle]

On Tue, 4 Sep 2007, Michael wrote:
Hahnemann definitely thought so and taught so.

Whether he was right is a different question:-)

Regards

Luise
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So definitely know what's true:
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